yer exactly my thoughts too.. there is no point having over expectations.. although im not ruling out that they might surprise me and do as good as did last year.. But look at all the other side there are too many up-and coming teams with alot young teams maturing like hawthorn, brisbane, kangas, st kilda, this year... But yeah give and take a few years.. the famous malthouse 11-00pm to 12 pm clock methodology might well kick into action and finally win us a premiership.. Considering all the youngens are quality..