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How will the Crows go in 2008?
So what's people's thoughts on this season? Are we gonna suffer with a young ruck brigade and an 'atypical' forward line? Does our decrease in pre season injury play an important part or is that being positively structured for the media's sake ('cause everyone seemed injured suddenly last season)? Can we rely on our aging midfield? will the youngsters step up? Is this a dreaded 'rebuilding' year? What's your thoughts?
By Kirsty from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 5 Jan 2008 23:31
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Edward from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 1 Feb 2008 9:56,
Last Reply: 11 Feb 2008 19:13
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The days of the "Campaigne Club" are over. I think, at last, we have a young team that Craigy can build over the next 2 years to be an unstopable force. Footy has changed over the last few years. I hate to say it, but look at Collingwood, Hawthorn, and Port Adelaide (all teams I depise). All of those teams are young sides that made it all the way. Some comments about Thompson - come on! He's more concerned about his biceps than kicking goals. And Kenny, god! I've never liked his style of play. Be a leader Kenny. Take the initiative. Knights, Van Berlo. I'd donate my left kidney to keep them on board. Hentchy - I hope to god he makes it this year, but I won't hold my breath. Someone commented on our defence. Come on guys, defence doesn't kick goals. A solid flow from the midfield into the forward makes games (that's why Geelong won last year). Geelong's defence was absolute ****e. Anyone who mentioned the word "promising" might as well say the Crows suck. My prediction is... another top 8 finish. But that's it. We'll miss you Roo.
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David from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 5 Feb 2008 11:18,
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Interesting you mention Geelong's defence being "absolute ****e", when Egan, Scarlett and Milburn all made the All-Australian side. Also a defence that consistently provides 'solid flow' through the midfield is anything but ****e. Your comments in general illustrate a basic knowledge of the game at best!
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Edward from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 11 Feb 2008 19:13hide comment
Dare I say it... I just can't!!! So I'll be on my best behaviour with my comments here. If the Adelaide opener against Collingwood is anything to go on, Craig has opened up a whole new game plan: youth, vigor, and a whole new dimension of football. Aussie Rules as you know has changed, and it will take time for some to accept it. Adelaide has fully encompassed the idea of a new breed of players taking the stand. Instead of blacklisting the Crow fanbase, take pride in what Adelaide is doing to prepare for the future.
Dillon from Port Augusta (Crows supporter), 28 Jan 2008 0:23hide comment
As everyone says "anything can happen o its given day." Football is a funny game it changes so quickly. I give the Crows every chance this year. Our backline and our midfield is still as strong as ever even with the departure of Roo. Our forward line really lacks the presense of a small roving player. eg. Eddy Betts. hop[efully now that Gill has had a taste of what its like in the AFL he will be more confident with his disposal and back himself a lot more. The loss of Welsh wont hurt us to much with the return of Henschel, which has been long awiated mind you.
David from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 8 Jan 2008 13:19,
Last Reply: 27 Jan 2008 20:38
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I'm pretty pessimistic when passing comment on our footy club. I have been critical in the past but am genuinely excited about how 2008 pans out. I believe the cleanout of players at the end of last season was required. I don't think we've lost one player who will be sorely missed if the club is headed in the right direction and that is to put the foundations in place to win a premiership in the next three years. 'R' - Rebuilding, we are rebuilding, and think it's unnecessary and petty to deny it or refuse to say it publicly. WE ARE REBUILDING!!! It isn't a poisoned chalice to admit rebuilding because Port have openly admitted they were rebuilding and look at their drastic improvement in 2007. I don't think we'll slide significantly in 2008, but would shock if we were to make the 8. Unless there is rapid and significant improvement from new talent introduced into the side or significant improvement from our mid range players, who hopefully can step up. In fact, I would prefer that we didn't make the 8 and promote the youngsters, give them a chance to develop to take us forward, rather than maybe making the 8 with some of the players that whilst serviceable and up to the level right at this point, aren't going to help the club take the next step, in order to meet unrealistic expectations the organisation as a whole has been guilty of in the past. We are still relying too heavily on our midfield, which as Kristy mentioned is ageing. Think we have two ruckman who have a bit of footy under their belts now in Maric and Griffen, the addition of Biglands to assist (although I am not sure if Rhett should be playing too many games in 08) and some talented youngsters in Sellar and Tippett who by all reports have the ability and need to first be injury free then given oppurtunity, I think we'll be ok in this area without expecting too much as they still have a fair bit to learn. Our defence is sound. Our forward line, is not! Extremely concerning. Can't see us consistently kicking 100 points plus a game. Getting rid of Welsh doesn't help short term but we need to develop some fresh talent in this area and quickly. A change in gamestyle would also assist in this area, quicker ball movement, risk taking and delivery into the forward line creates space and 1 on 1 contests which will lead to more scoring oppurtunites. If we continue with some of the crap we served up last year, which made us almost the most boring team in the competition to watch apart from maybe Sydney, then we will struggle to kick 10 goals a game. That chip style 'Tempo football' craze has passed, teams are awake to it, yet we didn't seem to know any other way last year. Once again, I'd prefer to see us get thumped trying to play attacking footy rather than an honourable loss playing 'basketball crap'. Patience is going to be a virtue for the 2008 Adelaide fan, I hope everyone can ride it through. I never have been, nor ever will be a Neil Craig fan. However, the club needs to support Neil in this difficult period. History suggests that when things go pear shaped the clubs first option has always been to fire the bullets at the man in charge. I understand it can be the easy option to blame the coach however the clubs needs to find 'strength in adversity' and this is achieved through stability in as many facets of the football department as possible. As I said, long season ahead, but this can be appeased if I see youth being given an oppurtunity, a better style of play (attacking) and experienced players stepping up to the next level and picking up some of the slack that at times has been left to too few to deal with. Prediction: 8 - 10 wins, 9-12th on the ladder.
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Danni from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 19 Jan 2008 10:28,
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I think I'm ALOT more optimistic than you. I do not dislike Craigy. However, I think his downfall is the fact he is so subborn in his ways. He has a good idea, but if I doesn't work, there's no plan b. Our forward line is alot better off than what people would anticipate in my opinion. With the likes of Nick Gill finding his feet (and I'm sure there are ALOT of people who don't like the guy but personally, I think he's a strong player who just needs a bit more tweeking), there's Kurt Tippet who has an INSANE amount of talent! I watched this guy at training and was amazed. Because of his size, I think alot of people make the mistake of putting him in the ruck catagory when he's a forward. Then there's the fact Hentchel will be back. And we have guys like Jason Porplyzia, Bernie Vince, etc. I don't think Welsh was THAT big of a loss. Long story short(er), while I don't see us being Premiership material this season, in a couple of years, we're going to have a VERY strong team.
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Kirsty from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 27 Jan 2008 20:38hide comment
Optimisticyou are. Consider that Tippett spent the majority of lastyear out with a fractured neck and had only played approx 10 games in total of footy before that. He's a long term project who has openly admitted thathe expects only to manage SANFL this year. Same with Sellar to a point. These big guys just take that bit longer to put it together effectively. Granted you may be lucky and get a freak like Westoff but I don't see it happening. Gill is a character but has proven to be injury prone himself (see 2006 and playing finals with dislocating shoulders and lots of tape, and hamstring injuries aplenty). When he has been on the park he is physically up to it but his disposal and accuracy have been what he's been known for and not in a good way. Hentchel won't realistically begin to find form until next season if we are lucky. Normally 1 year on for a reco but Hentchel had a car accident -severity injury. This puts Rhett in a similar basket. Porps has been steady - good when he gets it but isn't a key position player. Bernie is one of those we are hoping will improve drastically. Realistically out forward line is undermanned and patchy. I do agree that we should be better in a couple of years though - if all goes to plan.
Kirsty from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 12 Jan 2008 19:03,
Last Reply: 15 Jan 2008 7:39
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One of your comments really struck me - 'serviceable'. The last year or so has seen a whole lot of this type of player and I think that is one of the things that has concerned me. There have been a lot of flashes of brilliance but no real consistant stand outs in the new players coming through the ranks. It was obvious that Roo and Macca were something different, the same could be said about Johncock and Rutten but anyone else? It was actually hard to pick a fave player this year 'cause there aren't any new dominating and captivating players (except Gill and that's not necessarily for the right reasons). Let's hope that some of the new kids can take the game by the scruff of the neck and shake it up a bit. By the way - props to you guys for something more interesting than the 'carn the crows' ad infinitum on the adelaide crows fb page
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Jason from Melbourne (Crows supporter), 15 Jan 2008 7:18,
Last Reply: 15 Jan 2008 7:39
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I agree. It's scary to think that our senior players will start to consist of the likes of Shirley, Doughty and Stevens who are just 'servicable' at best when our club stalwarts begin to fade into retirement. That's why I think it's really important for the likes of Porplyzia, Douglas, Van Berlo and Vince, players who I think have genuine class, to really step up in 2008.
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Jason from Melbourne (Crows supporter), 15 Jan 2008 7:39hide comment
Also, in addition, to Johncock and Rutten (whom you mentioned) I'd also add Thompson (if he can improve his disposal) and Reilly to the list of players who are at least better than serviceable
David from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 14 Jan 2008 10:24hide comment
You make a lot of sense Kristy!! I look forward to further discussion...
Tammy (Crows supporter), 27 Jan 2008 14:01hide comment
Im looking forward to the season with a positive attitude. Who knows what our young guns can do?
Nick (Crows supporter), 23 Jan 2008 22:21hide comment
Crows to be competitive but not outstanding in 2008, I'm not expecting a Premiership, but top 8 is definitely on the list!! Young guys to take a huge step up, watch for the rise of Taylor Walker, teenager full of promise!! Looking forward to playing the pies in Dubai, what a good opportunity for the game!!
Mathew (Crows supporter), 21 Jan 2008 12:15,
Last Reply: 22 Jan 2008 22:51
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Duane from Geelong (Crows supporter), 22 Jan 2008 22:51hide comment
Hey Mathew, I agree in part with u. Bode was a sensational player for both the crows and Port. But, as Port identified early on, Bodey was injury prone. The crows took a chance on drafting him and were rewarded early but unfortunately his body has let him down in the last few years. Given that the game is now so business orientated I guess it was just inevitable that he wouldn't be able to continue with an AFL club. A local club would be crazy not to sign him though. But look at what happened to Shane Wowoden. He was a great player but made a poor choice in going to a big club and then ended up being axed. I was so wanting the crows to pick him up a few years ago but they didn't. He just got shafted. That's footy because it is big business. Football is not about talent anymore it is about perception and corporate funding. Anyway on a brighter note I reckon the crows will be okay in '08. They will def. finish in the top eight and dare I say it.....a decade on could they take the flag with a no frills team. YEP! D
Jason from Melbourne (Crows supporter), 21 Jan 2008 13:24,
Last Reply: 22 Jan 2008 8:01
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Way too injury prone. Could hardly get on the park. Hopefully Jacky will be a more than adequate replacement.
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David from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 22 Jan 2008 8:01hide comment
YEAH!!! Bring back Bode!! That would be a step forward....... Sometimes I wonder ............
Georgina (Crows supporter), 8 Jan 2008 12:15,
Last Reply: 19 Jan 2008 10:29
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it also depends on how hungry the likes of Mcleod, Edwards, Goodwin etc are. They may be able to really motivate the team to up the anti, Edwards and Bassett can't have that many seasons left in them...
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Danni from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 19 Jan 2008 10:29hide comment
I'm not sure about Edwards to be honest, but I can see a few more years in Bassett still!
Jason from Melbourne (Crows supporter), 6 Jan 2008 6:54,
Last Reply: 19 Jan 2008 10:21
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A lot of questions there. I might get around to answering all of them eventually  . Personally I think it's time for the likes of Douglas, Symes and Vince to really step up. They've shown that they're a cut above SANFL level but haven't really proven they can take it to the next level yet. We may be hovering mid-table for the next couple of seasons or so but it will sure be interesting watching the young ones develop.
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Kirsty from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 16 Jan 2008 18:41,
Last Reply: 19 Jan 2008 10:21
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Just on the Symes point, on talking to a Port supporter whose opinion I respect (I know that can be a rarity), she stated she didnt feel he was much of a loss, that he was a bit of an automaton and didnt have the flair or the footy brain of others. Granted, although I watched Port regularly, I didnt pay any indepth attention to him. What have you guys seen?
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Danni from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 19 Jan 2008 10:21hide comment
In regards to Symes, from what I have heard and can tell sofar, he is a bit of a Bode situation. He wasn't used to his full potential at Port. We'll see how he goes with us this season, but I'm pretty optimistic.
David from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 17 Jan 2008 9:00hide comment
He has played some pretty good footy for Centrals at SANFL level. Heard that Port thought he was a bit loose in defence as he was pretty keen to go on the attack from a half back flank. I don't see this as a bad thing if he is able to develop defensively. I also know that Port asked Centrals to use him in run with and tagging roles in the second half of 2007. Think he may be an acquisition as a squad player to fill specific tagging roles rather than someone who is going to have a major impact. Having said that if it releases a player like Nathan Van Berlo instead of having to tag someone then I see this as a positive. Considering what we traded for him, I think it was a calculated risk.
Chad from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 17 Jan 2008 20:09hide comment
All i have to say is carn you crowies!!!!!!!
Darren from Glenelg (Crows supporter), 8 Jan 2008 15:04,
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Top stuff David! Great read. Interesting that you mentioned that you weren't a big fan of Craig. Any particular reason for this? I believe (maybe wrongly) that Craig had to push for a flag while we were close enough and as a consequence the younger players may have been denied the opportunities they perhaps should have gotten. However, now that the club is officially rebuilding, let's wait for a couple of years at least to assess how effective Craig really is at developing a list.
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David from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 9 Jan 2008 9:31,
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Hi Darren. It was just after the SANFL preliminary final in 1995, the last game that Neil coached Norwood, I thought, surely he'll resign, if he doesn't he'll be pushed. He resigned a few days later and I thought, I no longer have to listen to the 'scientific' dribble from Neil Craig. Almost ten years later, I'm having to listen to it again, and it brings back frustration experienced during the early to mid 90's. Neil is very good at developing a list (team) to reach the clouds, but reaching the sky is another story altogether. I'm sure he was a major influence in Norwood winning the 1997 SANFL flag so dominantly, if he were the coach in 97, it wouldn't have happened. He is a Monday to Friday coach, excellent at training and developing a side off the park. Whilst his coaching record overall suggests otherwise, I believe his matchday performance on many occasions has left a lot to be desired. He meticulously plans how he thinks a game will pan out and whats required to win, but if plan A doesn't fire, then plan B isn't implemented or doesn't exist. All too often in crucial games he has been too slow to react to the changing pattern of a game and thats why his finals record is nowhere near as good as his minor round record. You'' find his record in finals is less than a 50% win to loss ratio. His press conferences are like drawing teeth as well, sure you don't have to give everything away but he's way too rigid and secretive, in my opinion, to become a very good coach. Currently, I'd rate him as an average coach. I'm open to criticism, and maybe my opinions are clouded from his time at the Parade. Just don't think that he is the man for what is one of the hardest and high profile jobs in the game, coaching a big club like Adelaide.
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Duane from Geelong (Crows supporter), 15 Jan 2008 22:20hide comment
David, It is clearly the case that the crows record in finals under Neil Craig hasn't been magnificent, however his coaching record is fantastic (win/loss). You do need to take into account the serious injuries tha have occurred in or leading up to those finals series. Craig is not the most charismatic coach I accept that, however his overall coaching/managerial role has been more than adequate. He is loyal to the club and his State. His credentials are exemplary. His only downfall is that he shows a tad too much faith in his squad sometimes. Case in point have been some occasions when Massie or even Bassett have been left on opponents for too long because the head coach has been of the view that they should remain there for atonement. It is all about faith I guess. But then again that is what the team and the game itsekf needs...faith. There are far too many doubters around just looking for a reason to get rid of a player or a coach. I think that you will be pleasantly surprised when the crows end the home and away season in 5th position. There are some good players coming through and there are some great players coming back. Not to mention a bloke at the helm who has bleeds the Adelaide Crows. Get ready for a big season which will include a Rising Star award and a few other little exciting awards. D
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