Well Doughty started off poor, but has picked his game up over the past 4 or so games, so have to disagree with you there.

Shirley..I think hes had 1-2 good games so far this season, but rest pretty average.
But again theres a lot worse than these 2 in the side.

Doughty seems to be improving a little.

Hmm this discussion has certainly shut down after Shirley's job on Judd hasn't it. Doughty's having a career best year also. That said I thought both were lucky to stay ahead of Torney, but hey they're making the most of that chance. Good luck to them.

Rob Shirley is a top blocking player learn to view the game

Doughty was good for the crows against the hawks. Its shirley thats been ordinary for about a year. He no longer can shut players down, though he is still is given ago every week. Time for him to go back to the eagles.

I agree shirley and doughty always are given a game before others because they are established players. I KNOW YOU NEED A TAGGER BUT VAN BERLO SHOULD BE THE MAN WHILE MASSIE COULD ALSO DO A JOB THERE AND IN THE BACKLINE

Even Knights is young and hasnt realy been pulling his weight in the side

Doughty is crap, but Shirley I dont know! He has his good games and his bad ones, too inconsistant, I think get rid of Doughty and bring in Massie full time, then exchange Shirley for Bode, we gotta bring Bode back, I miss him in the side, he was accurate in front of the sticks, hard running and I always liked watching him play, even if not Bode, what about Sellars, he is young but showed some promise, I see a lot of Jonathon Brown and Lance Franklin in the way he plays, he has a lot of future, maybe a bit young, but definantly give him a go. We have a young side as it is, with Mackay, Porpyzia, Vince, Van Berlo, Tippet, Griffen and Symes in particular! Whats wrong with having another option for up forward on the bench or even a midfielder like Bryce Campbell! We still have some young talent which would fit in if required. Plus with Trent Henschell back in a couple of weeks, no harm in trying Sellars out for a week or 2!

yeah but taggers arent meant to rack up the possies!
in saying that though, brad johnson kick 3 goals on shirley in the last qtr to win the game haha

bottom line: both ****

my god! I completely agree.. in particular Doughty.. he makes some bloody awful mistake every damned game! I miss Pez

doughty is alright, every team needs a tagger and he and Shirley is wat we have. I got a feeling we mite give him the chop at the end of the year but he is a useful player. I am glad we got rid of Hart... he was a legend but to old... and Torney was in a backline which was already full of stars

doughty has to go, torney and hart should have stayed

Fair enough - if they get rid of the likes of Torney and Perrie - shouldnt doughty and shirley also get the arse? The only thing I can think of is they still had a year on their contracts to go.