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Is James Bartel the worst Brownlow Medalist ever?
Worst Brownlow Medalist ever. Go Goodes. Shirvo says Mcleod was robbed, so was the Birdman
By Warren from Sydney (Swans supporter), 7 Jan 2008 23:17
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Mark (Saints supporter), 19 Feb 2008 19:46,
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bartel has strong hands, kicks well, is tough as nails and knows how to find the footy, he is a freakshow.
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Austin (Bombers supporter), 20 Feb 2008 17:07,
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I'll agree he is some sort of freakshow... Just not the sort you'd want to see on a football field. and so many other players have had the qualities you mentioned - Scott West, Matthew Knights, etc.. so where are their Bronlows?
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Mark (Saints supporter), 22 Feb 2008 18:54,
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scott west has never had the foot skills bartel has, and both could not mark a ball anywhere near as well as bartel, did you not watch any geelong games last year aside from the granny? you obviously know little of the game, knights and west both champions over a long period but i would say neither of them have had as good a year as bartel had last year, helps that bartel played in a successful side. i would not say many players at all have the qualities i mentioned.
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Austin (Bombers supporter), 22 Feb 2008 22:55,
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To be honest I turned the GF off after Chapman sucked the Umpire into giving him a free (again.. If he ever wins the bronlow I'll have to kill someone.. such a dirty player..) And then a minute later G. Ablett was given a free kick for being in the vicinity of a marking contest... Freaking joke of a match. I tell you what Bartell IS good at - handball receives. Daniel Kerr - now there is the COMPLETE package... He could have had 2 by now! Anyway you are right about one thing - Knights and West being champions over such a long period.. Maybe they weren't the standout champion for one season and then just played ordinarily, but I just think that they just deserve more for their efforts...
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Greg (Cats supporter), 19 Mar 2008 12:20hide comment
Ablett and Bartel are both better all round players than Kerr or Judd will ever be. Not to say they have higher impact. All four are extremely good. Just watch how often Judd marks in a contest or tackles (not much). Then watch the two Geelong boys in action. People say they are made to look good by playing in a good team. But I think the team is a good team because of the quality of the players, right down the list. You can't play that style of football with hacks, as St. Kilda and Adelaide showed in that NAB cup final. It just becomes a mass of turnovers and mistakes. Say for example if we dropped someone like James Kelly, what do you think Bombers would pay him to play in your midfield? Next find how many Geelong supporters rank him in our top 10 players these days (not a lot). The year before last he was struggling to get a game. As for the grand final the free kicks were because people like Cornes who should've known better lost their cool and started playing like trash. I hope Chappy wins the brownlow some time and it is good you rate him a possibility. Champion!
Bill (Crows supporter), 6 Mar 2008 13:50hide comment
Sure you're not a closet Power fan Austin? Or a Cat hater? G. Ablett may well be the cats next brownlow winner. The only reason the match was a joke was Ports effort and application. Surely your aren't implying the match was a 100plus flogging cause of the umpires? Kerr is a champ. Wasn't he injured for a fair bit of last year? Be interesting to see how he goes without Judd and Cuz. Unfortunately the brownlow needs 'brilliance' rather than consistancy over many years. i think the disappointing thing is all the champions never to win, or play in, a grand final
Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 4 Mar 2008 20:42hide comment
Here Here Austin, and of course I have a certain amount of bias being a Dogs supporter but I have never seen Scotty West put in any less than 110% effort! He's an inspiration, there should be more awards for effort.
Greg (Eagles supporter), 14 Mar 2008 1:02,
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Worst Brownlow ever? Woewodin or Liberatore, surely. Bartel pretty much won every statistical category (Average, he missed two games). And is the first brownlow medallist two win missing two games in a season. As for robbed? Peter Matera got 30 votes one year and STILL didn't win. Thats robbed
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 14 Mar 2008 1:38,
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Liberatore missed a few games the year he won the Brownlow. 3 I think. Libba had a great year that year, as did Woewodin 10 years later. Woewodin's career seemed to taper quickly after the Brownlow, but to me that doesn't take away from how good he was in 2000. But maybe he was lucky that Kouta missed a few games that year. Matera wasn't robbed, but he was unlucky to get a lot of votes in the same year that Greg Williams got 2 more. Considering that some years it's been won with less than 20 votes.
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Greg (Eagles supporter), 14 Mar 2008 9:52,
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Libba won it with the lowest count in history (am prepared to stand corrected on that one). And I do remember hearing somewhere that it is the only time the Brownlow medallist has missed two games, Bartel that is (also prepared to stand corrected). Woewodin did have a good year - possibly his only really good year. But from memory he was a smoky, not even in the top 5 or so. Still, I personally think every Brownlow medallist is a deserved one - the best and fairest player in the league as determined by the umpires - simple as that.
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 14 Mar 2008 18:56hide comment
Libba did miss 3 games in 1990, so that article you read might be inaccurate. Bartel's probably the only player to miss 2 games and get as many votes as he did, or to win by as clear a margin. When Dipper and Diesel won it together, the vote count was quite low, possibly lower than Libba's. Wanganeen also won with a low vote count, but the season was only 20 games that year. I certainly agree that every Brownlow has gone to a deserved winner.
Matt from Warrnambool (Tigers supporter), 8 Mar 2008 23:02hide comment
Look at the players from the Bulldogs that have won it Hardie, Libba and Wynd. Libba be the worst as how could he have been the fairest player. Also I'm sue Mike Sheen would have never had in top 50. Good luck to Bartel is what we want out players to be a strong at the contest, head over the ball a natural footballer.
Austin (Bombers supporter), 18 Feb 2008 20:05,
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He isn't the WORST bronlow-medalist ever. Sure he didn't deserve it, McLeod WAS robbed dammit! So many other players were more deserving (and simply better than he) last season. And for future reference, I haven't seen ANY Abblett (except Luke) that I'd rate as an above-average footballer.
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Bill (Crows supporter), 6 Mar 2008 13:56hide comment
Ok maybe you never saw G Ablett Snr play. I'll excuse you. Nathan: never really rated. Luke:average. Gary Jnr becoming more consistanly freakish. Gary Snr: well mate, if you think he's was a less than average player give me a list of 100 players in the last 20 years who were better than him (Better=talented, consistant, faster, stronger, matchwinner) In fact give 10 players who could win a game off their own boot better than Ablett and i'll sing the Power song for you!
Steven (Cats supporter), 20 Feb 2008 20:04hide comment
well lots of people would disigree dumbass
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 19 Feb 2008 13:35hide comment
u havent seen any Ablett that you would rate as an above-avg footballer apart from Luke Ablett? Hmmm interesting. Gary Snr and Jnr dont cut the mustard for you? Also how can u say McLeod got robbed? McLeod picks up votes when he gets less then 20 touches a game as a midfielder. The bloke doesnt man up and gets cheap touches. He is a fantastic player but has never been robbed of a Brownlow unlike Kouta or maybe even Carey.
Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 5 Mar 2008 12:35hide comment
The worst brownlow medalist starts with Woe and ends with Wodin. What a chump. Bartel was easily deserving of the award.
Jeffrey from Adelaide (Power supporter), 24 Feb 2008 22:50hide comment
Bartel was the favourite to win the Brownlow for most of the season. How could you consider him the worst winner of the medal ever? If you rate his season compared to others (e.g. Woewoden, Goodes even), in the years they won it and he will be ranked well on top.
Brett from Sydney (Magpies supporter), 23 Feb 2008 3:22hide comment
Sarah from Liverpool (Cats supporter), 22 Feb 2008 19:51hide comment
Bartel was under-rated until he won the brownlow..many of the younger geelong boys are. For so long our team has been rubbish, we didnt do well in the count. its bout time we got some of the recognition...he is definatly not the worst EVER!!
Mark (Saints supporter), 21 Feb 2008 9:05hide comment
mcleod is a smooth operator, but gets alot of easy touches, i watched him closely all year coz he was in my supercoach team, and while he was good there was no way he deserved to bet jimmy bartel who smashed it every week
Steven (Cats supporter), 20 Feb 2008 20:03hide comment
bartel was better goodes any day bartel usally hate at least 30 dispocials a game and he was a star for geelong so he was a good brownlow medilist
Glendon from Noble Park (Cats supporter), 19 Feb 2008 16:16hide comment
trust a sydney sider to know nothing about footy piss off to your meathead rugby crap.
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 19 Feb 2008 10:45hide comment
Bartel is a gun! McLeod was not robbed and Brett Burton...... bahahahahahahaha. Only players to be robbed are Kouta when Woewoe won and i think Westy and Belly got ripped a few votes that would have won them in the past
Dylan from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 13 Feb 2008 16:34hide comment
are you kidding me?!?!?! he is not the worst brownlow medalist! heck, Shane Woewoedin is! he couldn't last a career! he won cos of his team, melbourne who made him look good... jimmy bartel is a great player and he won it well deserved end of story
Jason from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 13 Feb 2008 15:22hide comment
Get off the bandwagon Warren and stick to the NRL.
Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 13 Feb 2008 13:19hide comment
No he isn't, it's as simple as that! His left foot goal in the first quarter of the granny was just oozing with class and whilst it was only from around 35-40m out I doubt most other brownlow medalists would have nailed it. Jimmy accumulates stacks of the ball week in week out, is a standout overhead mark and does the defensive things that most midfielders in the comp don't, tackling, smothering chasing etc.
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