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Stokes' alleged drug trafficking?
this seems to be getting pretty serious.. Apparently if a player was found guilty of trafficking drugs, under the World Anti-Doping Agency code a suspension of between four years and life could be imposed... that's 'till 2014 at the soonest..
By Austin from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 3 Feb 2010 20:02
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Anthony (Cats supporter), 3 Feb 2010 22:06,
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Oh my God. Way to throw away a career. No big loss for the Cats though I wouldn't think. I'm sure we have enough options to cover him.
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Matt from Bairnsdale (Hawks supporter), 3 Feb 2010 22:50,
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I don't think the Cats will be too disappointed, apparently it will free up some dosh that they can throw gazza's way. Not the best way to look at it, but i guess it could be a blessing in disguise.
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Andrew from Canberra (Cats supporter), 4 Feb 2010 14:50hide comment
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Not only that, but with Mitch Brown on the long term injury list again it now opens the door for 2 new freshies. I know that James Podsaidley is less than 80k in dreamteam.....
Guy (Magpies supporter), 3 Feb 2010 22:14,
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Yet he could have admitted the truth, that is was for personal use, got a strike and continued playing. That is unless he was on strike 2 and stuffed either way. Just the tip of the iceberg though.
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Matt from Bairnsdale (Hawks supporter), 3 Feb 2010 22:53hide comment
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You don't get a strike if you are arrested by the police, only if you are caught by voluntary drug testing by the AFL. Thats the difference. I think if you are arrested you would be treated much the same as Ben Cousins and charged for bringing the game into disrepute. Weird though, isn't it.
Scott from Alstonville (Cats supporter), 4 Feb 2010 7:19 hide comment
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I cant believe this is all over 1 pathetic little gram of coke. Terrible if he destroyed his career over this. The other thing is there are guys out there importing and manufacturing tons of drugs everyday, why dont the cops catch them?
Andrew from Canberra (Cats supporter), 4 Feb 2010 13:11,
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I agree with Scott, anyone who buys 1 gram of coke surely is not "trafficking" it, that has gotta be purely for personal use.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 4 Feb 2010 13:25,
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I heard on the news there was also a significant amount of cannabis involved and an undisclosed large amount of cash seized. Not sure what to beleive as media hype can blow these things up but there is a thin line between trafficking and just dealing.
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Megan (Saints supporter), 4 Feb 2010 13:45,
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Yes there is definately more than 1 gram of coke involved. I must have seen a similar report to you. Im not sure that the line is that thin between trafficking and just dealing / personal use. Its a sheme.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 16:10,
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If you care to read the articles associated with this issue, you will note that the large quantities were what was gathered in the entire bust. Stokes ordered a gram apparently for friends. As he brought it, then on sold it, it comes under the classification of drug trafficking. However the story has since changed that he brought 1 and 1, 1 gram of high grade cocaine and 1 gram of mixed grade. Bottom line, he is gone.
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Megan (Saints supporter), 5 Feb 2010 7:58hide comment
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Yes i did get a chance to read an article late last night, some time after i saw the news report. I suspect the story will change a few times in the next couple of days. Yes i agree he is definately gone.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 13:19,
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Andrew & Scott, Fact is though that the police are treating Stokes the same as if he was the everyday Joe Blow. There is a serious misconception out there that buying for your friends is not as bad. This case will get through to more drug users than any arrest of Mr Big. His lie of "getting it for his mate" has destroyed his career, should have just been honest and said it was for him.
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Tarrant (Blues supporter), 4 Feb 2010 16:30,
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Agreed. The only way to cripple a black market is to eliminate demand for the product. Punishing the supply side will only serve to drive the prices up. A high profile player getting the book thrown at him for what is conceived as "just a lousy gram" of cocaine should do wonders for the fight against drugs.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 17:14,
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Agreed?? Do you seriously think that drug users or anyone contemplating it aren't aware that people get busted everyday for buying drugs and now that they've seen a footballer getting busted they'll reconsider their purchase and use of drugs?? Get serious. They won't give it a single thought. What annoys me most about this case is the term 'trafficking'. To call Stokes a trafficker for delivering a gram of cocaine to his mates when bone fide traffickers like Escobar made millions delivering and SELLING tonnes of cocaine is insane. As for guy's assumption that stokes lied and bought it for himself, the tapes of his phone calls confirmed that he told the dealer that the drugs weren't for himself but for friends. If it was a Collingwood player in the same position would he make the same assumption? Very unlikely.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 17:33,
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Mark, It has been common knowledge in Geelong's nightclub scene that Stokes is a party drug user. Wait until the court case, as it was also reported he said the stuff was "good ****", depending on which newspaper you read depends on how it was stated by police. If it was a Collingwood player I would be of the same opinion though wouldn't have the knowledge I have about Stokes. The statement I said and stick by is the misconception in society that buying drugs for ya mates isn't bad but as the Stokes case shows it still classified as trafficking.
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Mal (Blues supporter), 4 Feb 2010 18:27,
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Whether you buy it for your mates or yourself is of little consequence you are still a dickhead. Just goes to show that no matter how good the leadership etc at a club you still get bad eggs. I feel for the club and it's supporters.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 18:59hide comment
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 16:17hide comment
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Police say Friday's raids on five Geelong homes netted more than $3000 cash and about $50,000 worth of drugs including cocaine, amphetamines, ecstasy and marijuana. "Geelong Advertiser" Just so everyone knows that Stokes wasn't involved in the large scale drug dealing.
Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 4 Feb 2010 21:09,
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Although what he allegedly did might constitute trafficking, he's hardly a hardened menace to society. For mine, a player taking recreational drugs is no different to them getting drunk. I'm not sure that coke can be considered to be performance enhancing, and I'm quite sure that isn't the reason that any players use recreational drugs. I reckon what Stokes has allegedly done is stupid, but no more than a misdemeanour. From what we've heard, I don't think it compares to the Danny Wicks case in the NRL. However, as much as I dislike the drug laws, they are the law and they apply to everyone. I just hope that the AFL don't try to play the role of the police and the legal system. Let the legal system do what it has to do, and if it's all over soon, let Stokes keep playing.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 5 Feb 2010 9:06,
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Well said - I totally agree! If Mark Bosnich, the human straw, can play soccer and the human vacuum cleaner that is Maradonna is not only the national coach of Argentina but is worshipped like a god, then banning a guy from playing AFL for purchasing a gram of coke is ludicrous! When did Austranalia become so anal about what their sportsmen do?
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Tarrant (Blues supporter), 5 Feb 2010 20:14hide comment
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about four or five years ago
Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 5 Feb 2010 11:26,
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"a player taking recreational drugs is no different to them getting drunk".... I'm guessing you mean that in a sense of performing enhancing that it makes little difference if you take drugs or get drunk right?
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 5 Feb 2010 19:45hide comment
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As a performance enhancer or as a misdemeanour. If a player is drunk a few days before a match, his club is entitled to think the player isn't giving it 100% for the club. Ditto if a player is intoxicated on drugs. No better or worse. Only difference I see between alcohol and other drugs is that a lot of people will have one or 2 drinks and not get drunk, whereas no one takes drugs solely because they like the taste of the pill. But if someone is intoxicated on alcohol, this difference is gone. Obviously there is a difference in the current laws regarding alcohol and other drugs. I'd like to see the AFL leave the legal side of it to the police and the courts. There is of course a big difference between using and being addicted, but this applies to both alcohol and other drugs. As discussed in previous threads re Ben Cousins and Laurence Angwin, the AFL and the clubs have a duty of care to assist players who have such problems.
Mal (Blues supporter), 5 Feb 2010 20:19,
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WTF are you kidding. "a player taking recreational drugs is no different to them getting drunk" Let me guess Gen Y? Suppose you have never had a druggie steal your car, video, iPod whatever. I personaaly know of two people (both gifted sportsman) who started smoking pot, went up to speed and are now both dead from Heroin overdoses. Also my sister had some drug F**ked **** stick a gun in her face and rob $200 out of her till to buy drugs. To say it's personal use is ridiculous because these things escalate very rapidly. I hate drugs, druggies and everything that goes with it.
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 5 Feb 2010 20:41,
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You're talking about people with addictions, not just recreational users. I've not seen anything written about Stokes that says he has an addiction. The problems that you mentioned above are partly (and arguably largely) caused by the laws regarding drugs, but that is an issue for other forums.
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Mal (Blues supporter), 5 Feb 2010 20:50,
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recreational use leads to addiction
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 5 Feb 2010 21:04,
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It can do. In the majority if cases it doesn't.
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Mal (Blues supporter), 5 Feb 2010 21:10,
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Here's a good idea. Don't take them. Also they are illegal drugs not recreational.
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 6 Feb 2010 2:46hide comment
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To not take them is a good idea, agreed there. As you know only too well, not everyone makes that same choice. It's their choice to make though, and like any other choice they need to accept responsibility for it. Drugs like cocaine are taken recreationally, hence they are recreational drugs. They are also illegal under the current laws. Recreational and illegal aren't mutually exclusive terms.
John from Wollongong (Tigers supporter), 8 Feb 2010 20:29,
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I agree Mal. For someone to say taking drugs is no different to getting drunk just shows what Gen Y considers normal and hence the society issues that we have today. Drugs are illegal. Nothing more to say other than enforce the law to it's fullest extent on everyone involved. Alcohol is legal and has controls around it. It gets abused as well. These guys are professional athletes, I'm not allowed to have drugs or alcohol in my system at work so why should they? Everyone has a choice in life. More and moer people are making the choices that will frame their lives forever. Bad luck Stokes, your going to have to work harder than ever to get out of this one!
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Mal (Blues supporter), 8 Feb 2010 21:03hide comment
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John a young fella I employed in my business some time age told me when I asked him what he got up to on the weekend he"had a few estacy pills at a rave". I said to him do you realise I'm your employer and that it's not smart to be telling me these things. His reply "it's nothing, everyone does it" Needless to say he doesn't work for me anymore.
Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 11 Feb 2010 0:15hide comment
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You both seem to have made the incorrect assumption that I'm a member of Gen Y, and implied that your opinions are somehow wiser. However you've also backed up my point. Like you, these blokes shouldn't have drugs or alcohol in their system when they're at work. And generally they're not allowed to either. If a player is intoxicated from alcohol when he's supposed to be training or playing, he can expect the club that pays his salary to demand some of their money back. If it happens repeatedly, the player can expect his contract to be terminated. And rightly so. The player's actions have damaged the team- not only impaired his ability to contribute to the team, but arguably unsettling the rest of the squad also. If a player is intoxicated on a drug other than alcohol, it's no better and no worse. It's deserving of the same penalty. With some drugs being illegal, there are of course legal issues involved. But why do sporting bodies think it's their job to play the role of the police? Leave the legal issues to the police and the courts. Sporting bodies should be trying to weed out those who gain an unfair advantage by taking performance enhacing drugs that also pose significant health risks. If a drug isn't giving a player an unfair advantage, then it isn't cheating.
Mathew from Victoria (Blues supporter), 11 Feb 2010 17:51,
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wow, ignorance is bliss aint it andy? there are two many drug fueled players, a few of them i even ran into in small town parties when i was travelling through oz. get them out of the game, oh and its one thing to have a beer with the boys after the game. a line is completely different
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Andrew from Augsburg (Hawks supporter), 11 Feb 2010 19:40hide comment
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Ignorance is bliss, as you seem to have ignored parts of my posts. But to remind you- having a beer is different to having a line, as a beer won't gt you out of your hear, but a line will. Having ten beers will, and that is the same, the only thing different is the drug of choice. By drug fuelled, do you mean they occasionally take drugs? Drug fuelled to me suggests that it's a lot more than just occasional use. If a player has a few beers after a game on the weekend but none at other times during the week, you wouldn't call them alcohol fuelled. If the players are regularly on the stuff, then it's significantly impairing their health & fitness, and hence fair to say that they're not giving it their all for their club. This applies to alcohol or other drugs. You've also implied that I don't think there are many players taking drugs. I don't know where you got this from as I've not made any such comment. Players are likely to be targets of drug dealers, and they're only human after all. Some responsibility rests with the AFL and the clubs to educate the players about how to deal with this.
Scotty from Adelaide (Eagles supporter), 5 Feb 2010 11:54hide comment
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I am very very glad West coast didnt make a bigger play for him in trade week, that is definatley not what west coast would have wanted to deal with after all our indescresions...lol
Rob (Blues supporter), 5 Feb 2010 15:56hide comment
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Did anyone see lasts nights dinner. I left it at the alter with a can of pea and ham soup. Gee I miss my gorilla knuckles
Kevin from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 5 Feb 2010 23:19,
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Lets get real not make excuses for him. He knew the risks, he got caught scoring for a friend if this is correct. If he doesn't do drugs he at least knows people that do, and must know people involve in the underworld. He is a silly man who didn't learn from Ben Cousins mistake in regards to connections to the underworld. So he only has himself to blame.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 5 Feb 2010 23:44,
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Wow, that's some assumption! You think anyone who's ever scored drugs 'must know people in the underworld'?? Speaking of getting real....
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Kevin from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 6 Feb 2010 6:20,
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Good point in a sense ok let me rephrase it he must know some shady characters
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 8 Feb 2010 23:01,
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The truth is Stokes being a high profile footy player and Melbourne having the underworld drug activity it does, chances are he is involved or knows people involved in it. Wouldn't be the first time either just look at Didak.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 9 Feb 2010 15:14,
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What?? That's saying that any high profile footballer in Melbourne is involved in or knows people involved in underworld drug activity!? What the hell have you been drinking? And what the hell does any of that have to do with Didak? You're just lumping together any old headline you've ever read and making insane connections. You being from Adelaide and Adelaide having recorded more of Australia's most notorious crimes than any other Australian capital city, must mean that you're involved in or know someone involved in a notorious crime musn't it? Start drinking bottled water.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 9 Feb 2010 15:51,
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Couldn't have said it myself!!
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 9 Feb 2010 17:06,
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Why?? cat got your tongue??
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 9 Feb 2010 20:32,
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Nah, but why waste time on a useless fool like you!!!!!
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 9 Feb 2010 17:05,
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If you read my post i said "chances are" in other words its a possibility he knows someone heavily involved. You have twisted my words around there. Think about this, the manufacture of cocain is imported from overseas and usually the big crime sydicates (bikies) control it from when it enters Australia. Do you think Stokes has scored this hit of coke from some two bit drug dealer on a street corner? Answer is no he obviously knows someone in the game as cocaine is at the higher end of the drug scene being more expensive than other recreational drugs. Its usually underworld figures that deal in it because there is more profit involved than dealing, for example, marijuana. What does Didak have to do with this you ask, remember a little while ago he was suspended for associating with a notorious Hells Angels member Christopher Hudson involved in that shooting and drug related crimes. So what im saying is a high profile football player is not likely to be scoring drugs from low end drug dealers. Adelaide used to have a high murder rate a long time ago (60's,70's) but that has changed. Drug dealing and underworld activity is present in any state, always will be, but, Melbourne has the highest drug related crimes. I mean they even made a show about it.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 10 Feb 2010 11:39,
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You've made a post based purely on personal assumptions. What is the point of that? "Chances are", "usually" doesn't equate to "obviously". It's not obvious at all. Anyone who regularly attends the same nightclub is able to score any number of drugs (coke, speed, ecstacy, pot...). It isn't the members of "big crime syndicates" who are working as bouncers or frequenting night clubs to sell grams of coke. It's the little dealers. Do you think Stokes has scored 1g of coke from some suit wearing bikie who's pulled it out of a big black briefcase in an office above the dancefloor of a nightclub? This isn't a movie Scott. If anything, Stokes was much more likely to have scored it from a bouncer / doorman - a so called 'two bit drug dealer' than from some 'bigwig' bikie dealer who would be the last person to want to involve himself with anyone with a high profile like an AFL player. As for mentioning Didak, once again, what is the point? Firstly, he wasn't suspended. Secondly, getting drunk and accepting a ride from someone you just met who turns out to be a Hells Angel and who LATER becomes a murderer doesn't relate in the slightest to Stokes buying a gram of coke from a dealer in Geelong. Thirdly, the only relation to drugs in Hudson's crime was that he was coming down from a bender at the time. So you're saying: Chances are Stokes knows cocaine importers. Bikies 'usually' deal in cocaine. A Bikie coming down from drugs killed someone. That same bikie met Didak the week before. Therefore, Didak knows underworld figures.??? That is the most desperate tenuous and ridiculous connection I've ever heard. Besides all of which it's totally pointless and says nothing. Here's the fact:- Stokes bought 1g of cocaine. That's it. Anything else said in relation to it is pure conjecture. Leave all that crap to the herald sun.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 10 Feb 2010 14:48,
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Correct that is my personal assumption, i may be wrong but thats my opinion. I can tell you're a hot head like our old mate Guy, must be something to do with the tap water in Collingwood. You've actually brought an interesting point to the table, nightclubs are quite often run by bikies and underworld gangs, its a huge problem as its easy for these gangs to launder their drug money this way so that point is well kind of stupid. I never said Stokes knows cocaine importers but more than likely ,READ CAREFULLY, knows someone invovled. You see the coke has to come from somewhere mate and that somewhere is underworld crime gangs. You cant import 1 gram of coke into Australia. Once again you've twisted my words around. I never said Didaks case related to Stokes, i said it wouldnt be the first time a footballer was involved with an underworld gang member if Stokes was found to be involved. Didak knew about Chris Hudsons involvement with the HA and yes Chris Hudson was heavily involved in the drug activity and a violent person, maybe you should study up on this info. Anyway have fun twisting my words around again so you can try and find a new argument. You and Guy make a great pair, stay off the tap water.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 10 Feb 2010 21:49,
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Stick to the argument. Don't get all 'guy' on me and start with the labelling (hot-head??). That's about as far away as you could get in a description of me. I am being very measured here and am simply pointing out the deficencies in your argument. Yes we all have opinions Scott. I just don't think you should base your opinion on assumptions. You should base it on facts. "Didak knew about Chris Hudson's involvement with the HA" Is that your assumption or is that fact? Nobody except Didak knows whether or not he knew Hudson before he met him at Spearmint Rhino. Obviously Hudson was a violent thug - he murdered two people. No study required there. Just because someone's a bikie and bikie gangs are often involved in distributing drugs doesn't mean that that someone is definitely involved in drug 'activity'. That's like saying there's a lot of violence against Indian students in Melbourne therefore anyone from Melbourne must be involved in violence towards Indian students. False logic. You never explicitly said Stokes knows cocaine importers but you implied it. You can't assume that anyone who's bought a gram of coke knows anyone involved other than the person who they bought it off. Do you honestly think I was presuming that you thought Stokes knew a drug importer who imported 1g of coke for him?? Drugs are imported into the country by all sorts of people, some of whom you could call 'underworld criminals', true, but once again that doesn't necessarily mean all drug purchases can be traced back to 'underworld criminals'. It also doesn't mean that anyone who buys any amount of drugs more than likely knows someone involved in their importation. I buy lots of imported goods. We all do. I don't know who imports them unless the company name is written on the packet and even then I don't know them personally. Drug money is not laundered through night clubs. Nightclubs don't make anywhere near enough money to be able to pass off drug income as nightclub profits, nor is it likely that anyone is going to invest millions of dollars in a nightclub in order to make money. Gambling is where money is laundered. What this has to do with the idea that Stokes more than likely knows someone involved in major distribution of drugs is beyond me but I though I'd clear that up for you anyway. Finally, I'm not 'twisting' your words. I'm pointing out the deficencies in your argument. That's what forums like this are for - communicating. It's nothing personal and whatever you do, don't compare me to Guy. I would never resort to personal attacks (maybe if greg from perth returns) or argue for or against anything based on the colours of a football jumper. And don't take long posts as a sign of 'hot headedness'. I like writing. I like forming a valid argument. I can assure you I'm not thumping the keyboard in some sort of fury or stomping around the room in between typing sentences. Stokes bought 1g of cocaine. That's it. Have fun.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 10 Feb 2010 21:51,
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Wow that is quite the essay....not even going to bother reading it. Thanks for your time.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 10 Feb 2010 21:58,
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If it takes 5 minutes to write, it can't take you more than 2 minutes to read. You could have at least given me that courtesy. I'd like to thank you for your time but......?
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