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Top aboriginal players going into 2010
Forget about injuries and age, who pound for pound is in your top 10 for aboriginal talent in the AFL in 2010. I am biased but I think Hawthorn have acquired arguably the top 3 talented aboriginals. So here we go. 1. Cyril Riolli
2. Lance Franklin
3. Shaun Burgoyne
4. Andrew McLeod
5. Adam Goodes
6. Daniel Kerr (not sure if aboriginal)
7. Daniel Motlop
8. Leon Davis
9. Chance Bateman
10. Paddy Ryder Apologies to Jared Brennan, Liam Jurrah, Jarrad Harbrow, Eddie Betts, Daniel Wells and Mark Williams.
By Jay (Hawks supporter), 23 Jan 2010 12:03
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Nic from Adelaide (Blues supporter), 23 Jan 2010 13:25 hide comment
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good list. i do agree, looking at hawthorns list of aboriginal players it looks like you have the best.
Megan (Saints supporter), 23 Jan 2010 14:26,
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Great list, Hawthorn by far has the best in the league. Only one i probably wouldnt have in my top 10 is Leon Davis, only due to inconsistancy issues.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 24 Jan 2010 12:16hide comment
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Looking forward to seeing Nicky Winmar run around again, will never forget Eric Bana (Out of Bounds compilation) calling Nicky Winmar taking a screamer, hilarious. Apologies for leaving Raph 'Couldn't trade him for a salad roll' Clarke in there.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 11:48,
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Perhaps you should watch more Collingwood games, Davis not consistent?? You aren't named all All Australian for being inconsistent!!! Just needs to do it in finals, but hey isn't that like the St Kilda small forwards???
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Megan (Saints supporter), 25 Jan 2010 15:21,
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Thats the beauty about these discussion posts, that everybody is entitled to an opinion. I think most would agree Davis should not have been named in the all australian team and certainly not in my "top 10 aboriginal players". Each to their own i say.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 25 Jan 2010 15:34,
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I agree with you there Megan i could think of a hand full of players way more worthy than Davis.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 15:42,
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So who would they be???? Welcome back Scott, came back after I showed how wrong u were. Took a few weeks though
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 25 Jan 2010 15:52,
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Like i said Guy i was on holidays and I was speaking to Megan not you...speak when spoken to.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 17:02hide comment
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Of course you were on holidays Scott, u always disappear when I show you up. Anyway you made a statement, and I asked you to back it up. You can't though.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 15:47,
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We are talking about consistency are we not???? Davis over the last 3 years has become consistent though needs to take it into the finals. No point debating anymore with u though as ya kids need u & we can't discuss footy all the time.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 25 Jan 2010 16:48,
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Just because someone has a life on here, does not mean they can't contribute to these discussion boards. Carry on Megs I think you have him on the back pedal.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 17:04,
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SNIPER, why don't you send some private messages!!!! Back Pedal yeah right, umm I'm defending your choice of Davis in his current position. Has discussions with Megan before but then she has to run off to look after the kids rather using that as an excuse for her lack of knowledge.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 25 Jan 2010 17:15,
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Do you wish you had someone to run too, don't kid yourself she has trumped you every time. I will go on the record as never posting private messages, what needs to be said will be said on these forums as far as I am concerned. SNIPER you make me laugh, are you getting angry using capitals Sandra I mean Guy.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 18:31hide comment
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U are frequently trying to stir up trouble where I'm concerned. U sniped me all the time, u are a joke Jay! When I make a comment showing your high school behaviour you ignore it.
Megan (Saints supporter), 27 Jan 2010 7:28,
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Guy you are so juvenile resorting to name calling when anyone makes a post you disagree with, you cant help yourself and it happens all the time. Pathetic. I suspect you are a youth with the way you conduct yourself on here and the language you use. As for me using my kids as an excuse for not posting all the time, how does it go...."ummmmm"....i love football but i love my kids more. I post when i can. I am blessed that i have them to "run to" instead of talking drivel with you on here ALL day.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 27 Jan 2010 14:59,
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I'm happy to be called juvenile. As for me not liking people disagreeing with me, well that's a load of crap. I don't like individuals spinning crap, simple, if I read it, I give it. Life does that. If you go back through the threads there have been many many times I have been happy to agree to disagree or taken their reasoning on board. Unlike others, I don't pen threads bagging other clubs or players without reason or at least without being able to support my reasoning. I questioned people's opinion for a reason, to gain insight into our great game, providing that they haven't just posted crap or baseless shi'te. Truth is Megan, you come across as a wonderful woman devoted to her kids as noted by a previous comment. I respect and admire that. However to allude to it as a reason to suddenly cease a discussion and claiming "unknown people" had sent you private messages about me is hardly right. In regards to this thread and Leon Davis, I stand by my comment, I do not believe you have seen much of him over the last 2 years by what you posted. Consistency has become a feature of his game, as all Collingwood supporters will continue to pray he will take it into a finals series. Hard to judge him on last year I believe, considering Collingwood only really had the 1 player (missed entire series out injured) who could get the hard ball (Pendlebury) thereby bringing others into the game. Davis wasn't the only midfielder to go missing (Didak for 1 other) in the 09 finals for this reason. It is one reason I was so excited to pick up Luke Ball, another player who loves the hard ball get as you would know. Another factor everyone seems to forget in regards to the poor showing of the midfield was the loss of Collingwood's midfield coach on the eve of the finals to North Melbourne, hard for the replacement to know what particular teaching methods work with individual players. I will gladly admit that even last year's finals could be viewed as an excuse however admit every finals series prior to that has been a severe failure for Davis. I'm happy to say that in my opinion, I believe most (if not all) opposition AFL coaches would have Leon Davis in their Top 10 Aboriginal players lists. Not bad for a player who 4 years ago wouldn't have made their Top 25, not many players improve as much as he has in the latter part of their career. You might want to note that I questioned your opinion on Davis, that is correct, happy to debate your reasons. Perhaps you should also read Jay's comments in the discussion, trying to stir up trouble which is a bit unusual considering he had Davis in his Top 10, so effectively I was questioning your opinion supporting his inclusion of him in his Top 10.
That to me is extremely juvenile, alas, something he seems to get away with quite often.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 4 Feb 2010 17:35,
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Yep, as expected no response
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Megan (Saints supporter), 6 Feb 2010 13:26,
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Feb 2010 15:04,
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Are you going to the NAB cup match against the Pies??? If so, will you boo Luke Ball??????????
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Megan (Saints supporter), 8 Feb 2010 10:05hide comment
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No i wont make it to the NAB cup match against the pies, to tell you the truth im not a huge fan of the NAB cup, only thing i like about it is if teams give the young kids a run so we can see what they are like and what they are up to. Why, are you offering to baby sit? No i would never boo Luke Ball, i am a football supporter, not barracker.
Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 1 Feb 2010 17:09hide comment
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If you were to judge on 2009 stats, Champion Data ranking points has 6 indigenous players in the top 100. 9th Goodes - ave 114.3 21st Leon Davis - 104.8 51st Aaron Davey - 95.6 71st Johncock - 92.3 85th Wirrapanda - 90.9 90th Tambling - 89.6 That shows that Davis had a brilliant year last year and that not a single Hawthorn indigenous player was in the top 100. You could argue that these ranking points don't reflect 'talent', but neither does 'consistency'. You could have made an infinitely better argument against Motlop as far as inconsistency - 12 games last year - 6 CD scores below 50 and 3 above 100! But of course he doesn't play for Collingwood and therefore doesn't have a target on his back.
Jay (Hawks supporter), 24 Jan 2010 12:11hide comment
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Throw Rhan Hooper in the mix and a rookie called Carl Peterson who is aparently a freak. Peterson could be a bargain for Dreamteam/Supercoachers has not played a game yet, was listed by Richmond at one stage but went off the rails. There is a reason Rhan Hooper was on 300k at Lions, with his head screwed on he will be seriously good too.
Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 24 Jan 2010 12:37,
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Good call, though Kerr is of Indian background so he can not be counted in this list. I'd replace him with Harbrow (in the next couple of years) or perhaps Eddie Betts.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 24 Jan 2010 12:42,
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The 'Dick' would make the top 20 if he backs up again this year.
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 24 Jan 2010 12:48hide comment
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I'd put a raincheck on that for 2011. He's done his shoulder so he'll miss the first 10 games at least, might take a while to get his flair back.
Jay (Hawks supporter), 24 Jan 2010 12:50hide comment
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I must of been confused by Kevin Sheedy's all aboriginal team a few years back, it appears he may be of Indian/Srilankan descent. Watch out Michael Hurly when WC play the bombers.
Jodie from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 25 Jan 2010 8:55,
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Bit one-eyed... Rioli has played 2 seasons (one injured, one good). Franklin (2008 break out year, not much for the rest of it) Burgoyne?? This list is a joke how can you rate these three above arguably two of the greatest Aboriginal players ever in McLeod & Goodes. Goodes is the best player of the last ten years, Aboriginal or other, full stop.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 25 Jan 2010 16:44,
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A bit one eyed, of course I am, read the post I have admitted biased partly to generate discussion. McLeod and Goodes have way more runs on the board than Buddy, Riolli and Burgoyne. I listed them in this order to generate discussion. I would argue that McLeod is better than Goodes over the last decade. The general public don't rate Goodes as high as the umpiring fraternity especially when voting for the Brownlow. Goodes polls well when he hardly gets a touch. Take your Cats glasses off you know you love Buddy and Cyril. Burgoyne is class, a former vice captain and should of been captain last year, he was struck down with injuries but overlook him if you dare those with short memories. The only joke in this thread is me not doing my homework on Kerr, but even the great Kevin Sheedy got that one wrong too.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 23:28,
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Everyone knew Kerr wasn't aboriginal except you it appears. Spot on about you being a joke in this thread but at least you know with Scott entering the discussion you aren't alone.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 26 Jan 2010 8:08,
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Get a life Guy posting rubbish at 2:00am and 4:00am I am seriously worried about you. Why don't you provide constructive comment on the list, like who should be in it and in what order. Kevin Sheedy made the same mistake as I did thinking Kerr was aboriginal. It appears Kevin and I like many were not aware of Kerr's heritage. Actually I did a quick search and some say he is of indian descent, some say he is of Srilankan descent. Truth be known if you track down his family tree pre-iceage he probably is related to our indigenous Australians. You are the joke mate that spends his time taking pot shots at others opinions. Perhaps the content of your posts would be better suited to Banter, Flames and Troll Wars as you have not provided significant AFL discussion for some time.
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Austin from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 26 Jan 2010 12:40hide comment
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If you go back far enough we've all got the same ancestors.. I do think that you would've found a way to slip Williams into your top 10 if he was still playing for the hawks though, Jay..
Guy (Magpies supporter), 26 Jan 2010 12:46hide comment
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Perhaps that's cause you can't comprehend to my level Jay. Doing night duty so why wouldn't I be on in the early hours of the morning you fool. I might take pot shots at people that deserve it like you but I've never sniped anyone or try and buddy up with people to have a go at someone else like you.
Jodie from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 26 Jan 2010 22:26hide comment
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Buddy is half as good as what he should be, when he learns to kick straight he will be a truly great player. As for Cyril, jury is still massively out, I distinctly remember one Jeff Farmer being rated in a similar vein, look at his career..... Burgoyne hasn't gotten a hard-ball is his life, it's like saying Scott Camporeale was one of the players of the 90's.......ludicrous. People who don't rate Goodes are the tossers who know zero about footy, who also think that umpires can cost their teams footy games or have never watched Goodes play a game.
Goodes is an out and out champion, I would swap Ablett for him in a second if he was still 26, he can play every position on the ground, and his engine is incredible. When the Swans lost to the Cats by 50 odd points in Round 7, 2009. He tore Geelong a new one, he deserved the 3 votes, I think he got 1. He doesn't need to get high possessions to get the votes, 20 possies to Goodes and he'll tear you apart. As for your list, I stand by my comment, it's a joke, your top two players there have played 2 good seasons between them, not even a great season, Buddy may have kicked 100 goals in 2008, but he should have kicked 150, that is why it was only a good season, not great.
Matt from Bairnsdale (Hawks supporter), 26 Jan 2010 22:03hide comment
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Just on Cyril and Franklin. Cyril has played 2 seasons, one where I think most agree he should have won the rising star award (no disrespect to palmer) and the other where he was leading the Hawks B and F up until the time he hurt his hammy. Franklin has had one dominant season in 08, in 07 and 09 he did kick around 70 goals in each of those seasons so I would say "not much for the rest of it" is not quite an accurate statement. However, do agree that Goodes is the best aboriginal player getting around at the minute, McLeod was a gun but doesn't impact games as much theses days.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 11:51,
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No one in these forums posts as many threads about his club and how great they are than you Jay.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 25 Jan 2010 16:37,
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Don't make me bring up all the posts you have started about Collingwood. Being deep into the cricket season I have recently posted two to three Hawthorn related posts to generate discussion, I have also within these posts encouraged discussion regarding individuals outside of Hawthorn. Where have you been I thought the administrators must of been over your constant drivel, or saying 'Sandra' was full of **** for claiming to be a victim of sexual assault. Nice touch that one Guy, showed you for the real person you are. It should be noted that others have agreed with me or contributed meaningful discussion rather than the crap you put together. Why don't you talk up Brad Dick, as for Leon Davis being consistent, I guess he is consistently bad in September so I will give you that.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 25 Jan 2010 17:14,
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I seem to remember Guy starting up a useless discussion about Eddie Mcguire and the collingwood football club not long ago. I think the only reason the administrator hasnt booted his ass out yet is because he sparks conversation in the one eyed, outrageous, contradicting comments he makes. I think this season im going to try my hardest to laugh him off and ignore his stupid ass
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 18:35,
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At least I don't run off saying I was on holidays after getting showed up. Loser!
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 25 Jan 2010 21:40,
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I only remember asking you to provide me the facts which you never did...never showed up bud. and once again i was talking to Jay, speak when spoken to
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 23:26,
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Showed you up mate big time, I and others provided the facts, you kept changing the goal posts. I'II talk when I want to not when a loser like you says so.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 26 Jan 2010 0:06,
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If you actually looked up the facts you would have found since collingwood won there last flag they have played the most finals (second to bulldogs) without winning a flag standing at 17 so far...that was the argument.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 26 Jan 2010 2:33,
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No it wasn't di'ckhead so don't try and claim it was. Man you should be terminated, waste of life........
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 26 Jan 2010 21:07,
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Well go back and read the thread its all there...you're getting angry again Guy settle down little fella
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Matthew from Melbourne (Demons supporter), 25 Jan 2010 16:45hide comment
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Lance Franklin should bounce back. I hope your hawks can too Jay. Liam Jurrah should improve this year. Good List though. however I think some of these guys have there best days behind them.
Mal (Blues supporter), 25 Jan 2010 22:17,
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Is the post supposed to be "most talented" or best because they are two differnet things. If most talented I'd put Brennan and Jurrah in. And probably Motlop on top.
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Jay (Hawks supporter), 26 Jan 2010 8:15,
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There is something about how Brennan carries the ball in one hand that is exciting to watch, must be a coaches nightmare because you just think he can do everything if he applied himself. I have reserved judgement on Jurrah as he is very raw, and I am undecided if he is more ass than class. His mark against the Saints in Rd 22 where he took it behind his head surprised him as well. That clip of Motlop kicking goals from the grandstands are unbelievable he is a freak. It should be interesting to see who are the elite indigenous players at conclusion of the season, it could feature your guys like Yarran and Garlett, maybe Betts if he continues to improve.
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Mal (Blues supporter), 26 Jan 2010 19:59hide comment
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Yarran may be a big smoky for Rising Star.
Robert from Darwin (Kangaroos supporter), 4 Feb 2010 17:05hide comment
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Jared Brennan isn't aboriginal and if a bloke holding a ball in one hand excites you then you are easily exciteable.
Simon from Perth (Magpies supporter), 25 Jan 2010 23:48 hide comment
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whats with all the Leon Davis hate yes i know im a magpies man but he had a brilliant regular season yes he went missing in the finals but judge him on a full season he was no more inconsitent than daniel motlop ( pre injury ) ....as for guys to watch in 2010 ....Austin Wonemerri if he can get back on the track and stay fit he could well domminate apart from that most of the top ten is pretty straight forward and i agree with most of you
Austin from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 26 Jan 2010 12:36hide comment
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It's a good question. If you're going for players with the best potential, you'd put Rioli, Betts, Brennan, Jurrah and Ryder right up there. They all have the potential to be superstars. Burgoyne, Mcleod and Goodes have all been sensational players, and worthy of all their accolades, but their best is behind them. And you've got to wonder if Franklin, Bateman, Williams and Davis also can improve upon what we've seen of them (Kerr would go in this category too). I would like to think that if 'most valuable to their respective club' was a criterion, Aaron Davey would have made the cut..
Scotty from Adelaide (Eagles supporter), 27 Jan 2010 9:25hide comment
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Shame Wirra retired im sure he would be be in the to 10 in my opinion, very very skillfull player in his day!!!
Matt from Bairnsdale (Hawks supporter), 27 Jan 2010 12:28hide comment
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Aaron Davey is a noticeable absentee, not even in the apologies list. Otherwise a good list, got most blokes in there somewhere but we could all argue until we go blue in the face as to what the order should be.
Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 31 Jan 2010 19:08hide comment
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adam goodes is the number one, how can you argue with 2 brownlows? Number 2 is Andrew Mcleod
Judy from Pakenham East (Hawks supporter), 1 Feb 2010 16:33hide comment
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you're not biased..well..maybe a teeny bit..but cannot srgue with the fact that we actually are fortunate enough to have the best aboriginal players in the league in our side....lets hope that play to their full potential this year...
Michael from Dandenong (Saints supporter), 2 Feb 2010 15:13hide comment
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Goodes is easily the number 1 aboriginal player
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