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Round 14 Geelong v St Kilda
Apart from the grand final this is sure to be the biggest game of the season.Who does everyone think will take away the game to remain on the top?...I would love to see the saints take down Geelong and be the first to beat them this year as I am sure many saints supporters do also. Do you think we can do it? I know I will have my fingers crossed around my stubby on Sunday arvo for what is going to be an absolute cracker of a game.
By Sheree from Moe (Saints supporter), 2 Jul 2009 9:49
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Andrew from Canberra (Cats supporter), 2 Jul 2009 12:26 hide comment
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Your right, It's going to be a massive game. I can't pick a winner as he two teams are so travelling so well, which means of course that I will be Tipping the cats to win. I do believe, however, that whoever wins will run away with it, I don't think it will be as close as everyone expects.
Matt (Saints supporter), 2 Jul 2009 17:00hide comment
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i reckon the cats will win. i just love how quick they tried to take underdog status, even though they have won like 51 of there last 54 and have been in both the previous grand finals, not to mention smashed us last season. id love stkilda to win, but if we lose i wont mind either. hopefully put a little less pressure on us for the rest of the season. winning would be the best but losing isn't going to be the worst. in the end its just a home and away match, the real stuff is in september as the hawks showed last season.
Tarrant (Blues supporter), 2 Jul 2009 17:41,
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It won't be the biggest game of the year. At the smaller capacity ground, in the lower rating timeslot. As much of a let-down as it was, Carlton Richmond in Round 1 will remain the season's biggest non-final.
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Kaine (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 16:51hide comment
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Matt (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 17:36,
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how was it a let down? u didnt tip stkilda?
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Matt (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 17:36hide comment
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just looked at the date. ignore that. wasnt a let down though haha
Christopher (Magpies supporter), 2 Jul 2009 17:55hide comment
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I'm going St Kilda. Excellent side and I think that they will prove it and become the new team to beat. Geelong will start hard, but after half time I see St Kilda taking over honestly.
Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 3 Jul 2009 12:23,
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It will not be a close game if the saints win, mark my words we cats either get absolutely smashed or we win, there's nothing in between. I am a cats man and I think we will win but I have a little feeling the saints will come out to play, I just hope there is not tagging and everyone goes head to head in a hard nosed free flowing contest.
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Kaine (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 16:50,
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well simon I belive the cats learnt how to tough out a close one and lose great game hope that we can meet again in grand final cats will make it but I think saints have a few mental hurdles to overcome yet
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Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 6 Jul 2009 20:47,
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Learnt how to tough out a close one and lose exactly, well maybe this will teach us the lesson with Ottens and Stevie J to come back I can only hope things get better from here, Tom Hawkins to actually present. Hopefully the 2 sides will meet in the grand final although i think we would lose in that too
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Alisha (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 20:53,
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Let's just see I'm not that certain we shall meet yet, there is still the Doggies and the Pies. While yesterday's game was mind-blowing there is still a lot St Kilda has to improve on. The pressure is on us now and let's see if we can withhold that pressure.
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Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 7 Jul 2009 20:02,
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Pies are overrated and the doggies fail when under pressure. Cats and Saints managed 2 get to 13 and 0, i think they should be there
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 7 Jul 2009 20:23,
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Ha Ha Ha Ha. Collingwood are over rated in your opinion yet had an injury riddled 1st half of the season which subsequently also caused their form to drop. Yet still had the depth to finish 4th at the conclusion of the split round. As for the Doggies failing under pressure, umm people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones considering your team fell over their handbags last year in the grand final and lost. Not to mention 89, 92, 94 & 95. Umm Geelong have to win this year's premiership otherwise they will be forever remembered as the biggest disappointment in the history of the AFL.
Now that's pressure!!!!
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Kaine (Saints supporter), 7 Jul 2009 21:06,
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facts are pies have won 9 games and 7 have been teams not in the 8 and dogs have won 10 games and 8 have been not in the 8
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 7 Jul 2009 23:38,
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Yes but it's how you play in the finals as proved last year by Hawthorn.
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Kaine (Saints supporter), 8 Jul 2009 15:55hide comment
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it comes down to friday if both teams preform then we have 4 genuine premiership contenders if they dont then they will be called duds same rule that applied to saints against cats
Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 8 Jul 2009 21:02,
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haha, oh well guy, reminds me of 02, 03 ey, if Collingwood make this years grand final i will be very disapointed as a fully fit hawks is the best side in the comp, then geelong and the saints very very close. Hawthorn were well clear of the pack last year, they beat good sides, in the words of michael jackson guy "beat it".
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 10 Jul 2009 17:52,
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Let's see how Geelong go with the out's this week. Brisbane to win. A fully fit Hawthorn side was a good side but bad management and incorrect decisions on injuries has meant they are where they are. Can't complain full stop about that. Who gives a rats what you think of Collingwood, love us or hate us we are still the biggest sporting club in Australia!!! Growing up Simon, wasn't "Beat it" your theme song?? Couldn't keep ya hands off it, god knows how many times you were told you'll go blind.
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Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 10 Jul 2009 18:48hide comment
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 10 Jul 2009 22:04,
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BTW Simple Simon, don't spin crap about Hawthorn when you were the tool that started a thread sooking that they didn't deserve the premiership blah blah blah. You are such a tool, fancy trying to justify something that last year you complained about!
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Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 10 Jul 2009 23:07hide comment
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I like your beat it joke that was rather humorous, but that was sort of what i was getting at towards yourself. I never made a thing about hawthorn not deserving the premiership, the played well enough on the day and took home the flag. Apparently there is some dude called simon from melbourne on here that made, and im often confused with him. I forget what else you said. Oh well I dont really care
Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 10 Jul 2009 23:17,
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Yes Guy I doubt we will win but Brisbane have quite a few outs as well, it all depends on the big guns Brown and Bradshaw. A fully fit Hawthorn was a brilliant side, fully fit they would thrash the pants off Collingwood. Collingwood are also the most hated sporting club in Australia, but that is irrelevant, a win over the doggies doesnt really tell us much, just that they are one of the lead clubs in "the others" it all depends on how they go against the cats and saints, or if they face a fit hawks.
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Matt (Saints supporter), 10 Jul 2009 23:50hide comment
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i agree with you on the hawks. a fully fit hawthorn side i think would be the leader of the pack followed closely by geelong n stkilda and then collingwood and the dogs. i spose this is the best year to make the most of a good season because next year the hawks will most likely be dominating.
Daniel Bowen from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 3 Jul 2009 13:26 hide comment
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i think saints will beat the cats i bye a big score or a close 1
Guy (Magpies supporter), 3 Jul 2009 19:54,
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Umm, I always thought it was the 2 preliminary finals 2nd to grand final then Anzac Day. That's what the AFL thinks anyway. Geelong have been itchy for this contest and the Saints finally meet a team in form and not injury riddled. Pressure will show and the Cats by several goals. Biggest let down this year. Some of this is true, some is wishful thinking. Not to many people have the brains to work it out in these forums though. Mwah
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 5 Jul 2009 17:01,
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yeh ur right guy not many ppl have the brains to work it out...cats by 7 goals??? thats the sort of prediction id expect from someone with no brains!!!
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:12,
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Hey Stalker, how you going?? I wouldn't have tipped Geelong had I known Stevie J wasn't playing. He is the glue that makes the forward line gel. They missed him bad throughout the game. Anyway stalker, I see quite a few other people got the margin and team wrong but haven't seen you having a go at them! That's alright little man.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:26hide comment
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lol...your so lame guy i love it. Gees ur really startin to build up a hate club in here, wonder why??? It must really drain your very limited brain to sit there and reply to everyones hate mail and still come up with crackers like 'hey stalker' and 'little man' pfffft. Oh and just so you know i tipped saints to win but knew it would be a tight contest between two very matched sides. Yours sincerely
Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 5 Jul 2009 18:52,
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guy you're an idiot that was the best game ive seen in a fair while, only problem was the final scoreline, geelong were injury riddled no stevie j wouldve given us that forward option we needed no ottens, quality ruckman and can give us another option up forward, im not blaming that for the loss mind you, the reason we lost was the first quarter, and st. kildas almost unbeatable defence. We'll trade them blake and tenace for maguire surely he'd be playing at any other club. well done to the saints they deserved the victory. Anzac day is nothing to the grand final, nothing up for grabs on that day but 4 points. The grand final is the show piece of the best in the AFL playing for it all.
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Matt (Saints supporter), 5 Jul 2009 19:19,
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the reason maguire isn't playing is because Dawson is playing well. we cant really have another slowish defender back there. he will work his way back in though. he is still struggling for form a bit. you have to remember he has barely played in 2 years. wat a ripper of a game it was. it could of gone either way. the cats came and came hard but we somehow won. micheal gardiner had a great game and i think him and hayes and possibly gilbert were the three that got us over the line. also riewoldt ran hard in the 3rd and forth quarter. if the cats did win i think varcoe should have got it. when you guys were slowly chipping away at our lead he stood up and i was impressed. he will be a good player in the future. best thing to do is ignore guy . no point trying to argue with him because unfortunately for him he is to stubborn to accept someone else s view. the one low in the game though was the poor bloke who had a heart attack a few isles to the right of me. hope hes ok.
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Simon from Bendigo (Cats supporter), 5 Jul 2009 19:33,
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yeha guy is a bit of a fool, i really think geelong could use maguire, he's a quality player, he has hardly played in 2 years you can say the same for matthew egan, when we get Ottens back if Blake isn't dropped I will form a large protest the man has no talent, the injury list for geelong, ottens, stevie j, and hunt, 2 of those 3 can get back, i'd say we wouldve had a better chance with them playing but well done to they saints they played a ripper. The best for geelong were the obvious ones, Bartel, Ablett, Chapman, Selwood and Joel Corey, but I really think the difference was Gardiner, he kicked 4 telling goals when the heat was on, Kozy wasn't great and big Nick played well but i thought let a lot go away from him.
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Matt (Saints supporter), 5 Jul 2009 20:00,
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mm yeah, but stkilda were also missing king and hudgeton. hudgetons replacement raph clarke almost cost us the game. way to many turn overs. there was a lot of ifs and buts. in the end it was a awesome game that could of gone either way and hopefully we will see it again in september... with the same result . i was just happy to see stkilda apply the same pressure they were at the start of the season. reiwoldt went to ground to easy at times and taylor had his number in the first half. roo worked harder in the 2nd half though and got away a few times in a few important plays. varcoe was easily in ur best aswell. kozi was kozi. he crashes packs and kicks 50 metre goals. haha.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:05,
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Hey Matt, maybe I was wrong. Maybe St Kilda are better than I gave them credit for. Won't think you will argue though, that their success with maintaining fit players has been amazing and surely can't continue throughout the year? It's how they maintain the team unison with new players that will decide many things. I don't begrudge St Kilda's non injuries this year either by the way, they had a shocking run for a few seasons when they should have challenged for the flag, Kosi being a classic example. Anyway mate, hope you enjoyed the game, the crowd looked to be right involved in it.
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Matt (Saints supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:50,
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in the end todays game didnt mean to much. it was just bragging rights and the advantage of a 4 point lead at top. all i wanted was stkilda to challenge the cats and we did so im happy. in the end its wins in september that count, although this will hopefully give us a bit of confidence. like i said previously there is something different about this stkilda team to past years. im not exactly sure what happened over the preseason but what ever did im glad it did because we are finally living up to the high expectations we set ourselves in 2004. our run of success is defiantly being able to maintain a fit and healthy group of players. but we have also been able to cover for players who get suspended or injured with both gardiner and king missing games aswell as kozi. a fit and firing kozi is scary for opposition because reiwoldt rarely has a poor game. Stevie j not playing 2day helped as well. i would have liked to see him there because he has been there forward line this season. game was amazing, crowd was awesome (apart from the poor bloke having a heart attack a few isles to my right)
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 6 Jul 2009 0:26,
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It may not have meant much to you but the saints can take alot confidence in there playing group from that game. That can mean alot should they just so happen to meet geelong again in september. Good to see someone challenge geelong and a great match up.
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Matt (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 0:46hide comment
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i meant in terms of were we are going to finish (1st and 2nd are pretty much the same). mentally it meant a lot to the players and the fans. we know we can beat geelong, we know we can keep the pressure on them and we know they have got weaknesses that can be exposed, mainly in there forward line. i think its about time people start to question tom hawkins.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Jul 2009 16:28hide comment
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I'm happy to play the fool for you Simon. At least I'm not the &^%$# who couldn't handle his team tripping over their handbags in the grand final last year and posted all these sore loser theme threads. As for Blake, I find it ironic that people that aren't good enough to play AFL have a go at someone that is! I spoke to a few Geelong fans who thought Blake's game was one of his better 1's for the club. I not going to argue this though as I haven't seen too many to make a fair comment. I will agree with you that had Stevie J and Ottens played the chances of a win would have been increased.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 5 Jul 2009 22:59,
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Can you read Simon, I never said Anzac day was bigger than the grand final! The order of significance at the start of every year for the matches to be play in order of significance are 1. Grand Final
2. Preliminary Finals
3. Anzac Day If you want to doubt me, that's fine but perhaps you should read a bit more because that information is regularly discussed. So Simon, why am I an idiot for predicting Geelong would win by several goals (if that's what you meant?) considering all the facts and this comment was made before Stevie J was out. Had Stevie J missing being announced Thurs, I would have tipped the Saints due to Geelong's weakness this year being the forward line. Your right though great game, the best to date this year.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:32,
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haha i love reading all your posts where you have to back track your original comments and make excuses for yourself. Iv noticed your starting to kiss a little ass too Guy?? Must be really hard for you but well done and keep up the good work. Regards, your no 1 favourite reader
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Jul 2009 3:35,
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Hey stalker, Sorry I didn't know about these rules where someone misreads your post, you correct it and can be labeled as backtracking. Don't know what planet you are on but no 1, not even the most one eyed Collingwood/ Essendon fan would label Anzac day as being bigger than the grand final. As for kissing arse, well I don't know how. I've been a strong critic of St Kilda and they played an amazing game of football to beat stats wise one of the best teams ever in Geelong. I noticed a previous post where you referred to a hate group or the like but your pretty clueless as both Alisha and Matt don't to my understanding have anything issue with me. I deserve a shell lacking from both of them and I got it fair and square. Matt says I'm stubborn but that goes back many threads ago where I questioned one of the Saints finest ever players and where he stood among the AFL greats of his time. Matt rightly argued his case and I took note but couldn't agree. As an individual this player deserves to recognised as a legend of the game. Anyway stalker, keep tracking me. If you stop for a minute and read what I have to say rather than attack me, you might just learn something.
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Scott from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 6 Jul 2009 16:32,
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Ok mate you just keep telling yourself that and you'l be doin just fine....
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Jul 2009 22:57hide comment
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Keep telling myself what?? You tried to attack me but I smashed you ??
Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Jul 2009 22:54hide comment
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No reply Simon, guess you haven't got any further sh'it to say.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:06hide comment
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Alisha (Saints supporter), 5 Jul 2009 21:40,
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Guy, I was really bitting my tounge till after this round so I could prove you are yet wrong again. If you can't see that Saints are a better team then last year then you have issues. Christ I picked Geelong to win but I new that it was going to be close and not fizzer like the past.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 5 Jul 2009 23:10hide comment
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Alisha, Maybe I was wrong. Maybe St Kilda are better than I gave them credit for. Won't think you will argue though, that their success with maintaining fit players has been amazing and surely can't continue for the rest of the year? It's how they maintain the team unison with new players that will decide many things. I don't begrudge St Kilda's non injuries this year either by the way, they had a shocking run for a few seasons when they should have challenged for the flag, Kosi being a classic example. Riewoldt has in my opinion became this year the best forward in the league. When the game was to be won in the last qtr he caused the ball to spill from a pack then on the rebound marked in the forward 50 for the Saints. Enjoy work this week, St Kilda are now the best team in the comp to date. P.S. I copied some of this reply from Matt's as I couldn't be bothered typing similar things.
Sheree from Moe (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 13:52,
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I must have been watching the wrong game Guy,the game I watched yesterday saw the saints win by 1 goal.Not the cats by several goals. I didnt know tipping your own team to win measured your intelligence or proved that you have no brains. I always thought it was being a good supporter and having faith in your team. You are such a tosser its funny
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Jul 2009 16:22,
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing hey Sheree! I was wrong and full credit to St Kilda though from the majority of what I seen, Geelong played below their potential though that could be due to the pressure St Kilda put em under. Also they did it last year in the grand final and gifted the Hawks a flag. Hard one to tell but with Stevie J and Ottens to return Geelong is still the team to beat. Had I known Stevie J was not going to play I would have given the game more thought. Once again you don't seem to be able to read or maybe you can but you can't comprehend what you see! Where do you get your following statement from "I didnt know tipping your own team to win measured your intelligence or proved that you have no brains. I always thought it was being a good supporter and having faith in your team." Who said anything about tipping your own team and having faith.? Do us a favour and read people's comments 4 or 5 times before shooting your ill informed thoughts across. Perhaps try and message them to get a better understanding of what they are trying to say.
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Kaine (Saints supporter), 6 Jul 2009 16:44,
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hey guy I can understand some off your frustration about others not reading your posts properly intentionally or not sometimes it seems people just find one word and make something else from it entirely although I will disagree with you with the steve' J and ottens comment and I will throw maxy and steven king that were out from our best 22 I believe the game was then played on even terms that was the greatest game I have ever been at and I would have accepted a draw I believe some people have read other posts by you and have ascertained that you do not rate st kilda I hope that now you have changed your opinion and maybe give us a little bit off credit for winning 14 in a row let me ask you a question in a prelim who would you prefer to play saints or the cats
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 6 Jul 2009 22:53hide comment
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Hey Kaine, Up until yesterday I did not think St Kilda would make the grand final. I now prefer to sit on the fence, wait to see how good their depth is and more importantly how the team unity copes with unfamiliar players as St Kilda has used the least amount of players in the AFL this year. As said in a previous comment, no complaining from me about that as they had a few seasons wreaked by injuries Kosi being a classic example. Using the least amount of players is a massive advantage. I also am becoming a big fan of Riewoldt, his passion and leadership is infectious, well not saying no to the Gold Coast he did say he wanted to lead the Saints to a flag, perhaps that's his incentive. Regardless he is the best forward in the the league and his running is inspiration. I'II answer your last question in your thread.
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You know what Guy? You wouldnt have been the only person to tip Geelong to win by 7 goals on the weekend, I for one thought the Cats were gonna win by 4-6 goals. Your right, hindsight is wonderful, and full credit to you for not sitting on the fence and saying, 'oh itll be a close game, cant split the two teams', like most people did.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 7 Jul 2009 20:32hide comment
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Yep, but there are quite a few tossers in these forums that chose to attack me about the odd prediction that doesn't go right rather than put theirs up. Funny thing is, had I known Stevie J was out, it might have been a different opinion. Stevie J's influence this year has been massive and smoothed over the cracks in Geelong's forward line. As a result of the Saints win I do respect them more, prior to this game they had none nothing else but beat teams they should have. Now they have been challenged and responded to record a great win against one of the greatest H+A teams we have ever seen.
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