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Does anyone actually rate St. Kilda? and WHY?
Why do people always think St. Kilda are going to be real good at the start of any season? Their form is always poor, they never dominate (unless playing Richmond or Carlton or Melbourne) games, or seasons for that matter.. And there is nothing but 2nd-rate, overrated sacks of faeces on their playing list. (For collingwood supporters, faeces = ****). So why does anyone rate them? And the other thing that I'm still not over is that they sacked the only decent coach they'd had in 50 years - the only man who could get such a talentless team close to making the finals...
By Austin (Bombers supporter), 18 Feb 2008 20:39
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Austin (Bombers supporter), 10 Mar 2008 19:00
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'the saints have Possibly the best midfield' Harvey isn't the Entire Midfield.. If there were 6 of him I'd agree with you, but Hayes, montagna, Dal Santo are passable at Best.. Though Schneider will def. make a big impact.. OK 'most potent Forward line' Where does that come from? Schneider again? He's good, but no Nick Davis! Random AFL team selection: Lions - J. Brown, J. Brennan, D. Bradshaw, L. Power and R. Hooper. Tell me that isn't more potent than a decrepid, unfit, semi-retired and inaccurate FF supported by a short, weak and not entirely skillful crumber and a CHF who, admittedly, is great at marking on a lead 70-odd meters from goal, but whose brightest point is that the Umpires just LOVE him. It doesn't and you'll be deluding yourself if you think that either a) it is as good as Brisbane's.. or Hawthorn's for that matter.. or b) that Riewoldt and Gherig will make it through more than 70% of the season. The Ruck combination is impressive. The backline.. It's going to need all the help in can from the rucks and midfielders to be competitive this year..
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 11 Mar 2008 7:53
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lol... "hayes, montagna, dal santo are passable at best". r u as stupid as i think u are.... wen was the last time u acctually wathed at stkilda game? dal santo is a freak... pretty much everyone knowns that. he would be in the top 5 midfielders in the league. montagna is improving every year, hes got the grit n determination that other teams midfields lack, and as for hayes... he is one of the best at clearences in the league, so i got no idea were u get passable from... if ur taking it from the NAB cup u should relaly look at there game time... all 3 of them had 60% game time at best. And as for the forward line. What is wrong with fraser gehrig being inaccurate... here is his last 5 seasons at stkilda (goals, behinds)
2003 - (55.34)
2004 - (103.39)
2005 - (78.49)
2006 - (71.37)
2007 - (59.35)
i think u have been terribly missinformed about gehrigs accuracy on goals and his abbilty infront of them. and since wen has fitness been a major issue? The AFL's best full forward, tony lockett, was as unfit as they come... I dont rate stephen milne, but he can win a game wen hes one song... WEN. it doesnt happen often but he is good to have.
i dont ahve to mention reiwoldt, because sounds like u love him 2.
u left out kozi... who will take pressure of reiwoldt, and also charlie garnder.
stkildas forward line : Gehrig, Reiwoldt, Milne, Kozitchski, C. Gardner, and the resting midfield.
Im not deluded... but it is easily a more potent midfield then the lions. J.brown struggles to stay fit, Brennan is as inconsistant as tevie milne, Bradshaw is good, Power.... he plays in the center and hooper is quick n thats all. i think ur the deluded on here buddy. Im sure the saints will prove u wrong in the weeks to come... espcially with gehrig and reiwoldt supposdley playing no more then 70% of the season, but thats the bueaty of stkilda this year,.,.. we have some depth for the first time in the last decade.
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Austin (Bombers supporter), 13 Mar 2008 0:14
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The last time i wathed a St. Kilda game was St. Kilda v. Essendon, 2008 NAB Cup. Sure, I may have been harsh on some of your midfielders, but I don't see any of them being the 'elite' of the comp that many media reporters say that they are. Except Harvey. lol. And also I like to take the piss out of Fraser Gherig. Though you forgot to take into account the times his shots on goal have gone out on the full. Gardner hasn't played competitively for so long I'm kinda unsure what he's capable off these days.. Well as far as the Brisbane forwards go, if they stay healthy I can't wait to see St. Kilda's 'solid' defence attempt to contain them. But I digress.. I suppose the reason I don't rate St. Kilda is that, as an Essendon fan I've always thought the Bombers - as lowly as we have been the past few seasons - can expect a win against St. Kilda. And most of the time in recent years we have won, or could have won, or (like in the NAB cup) SHOULD have won! Other teams I'm a bit more concerned about.. Like Carlton. They haven't got it together much recently, and when they have it's been against us!
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 13 Mar 2008 14:59
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stkilda have always struggled against both essendon and collingwood no matter were either of those 2 teams are on the ladder... i noticed. gehrig hasnt kicked to many out on the fulls. saints defence is questionable at times, but if we can get maguire, goodard and hudgeton at full flight they should be ok against the likes of brisbane. stkilda defence has never been great since we got rid of the waklein sistesr.
Brad from East Ballina (Saints supporter), 12 Mar 2008 14:06
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well i dont give a **** what ya think, win or lose, im saints all the way! yo!
John from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 11 Mar 2008 10:50
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Until further notice I still believe that the NAB Cup is the "cursed" Cup. So whilst St.Kilda sacrificed nothing in obtaining Charlie Gardiner (who looks promising in St.Kilda's forward line keeping defenders accountable so they just can't double team the likes of Kozi, Riewoldt or G-Train when he comes back from injury). King who could have a great season along with Michael Gardiner. Time will tell on the fitness of those 2. But personally I think that the footy season is too long to invest the time in winning the cursed cup so whilst they should come close I think it is a little case of too much too soon. After all why do you think Paul Roos has tanked the Swans for the last 6 years in the cursed cup? That's no coincidence for good reason. Geelong learnt their lesson in 2006 for winning the cursed cup & I don't think we will be wating our time with it any time soon.
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 11 Mar 2008 22:05
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Three years is hardly evidence of a curse. The Saints followed up their 2004 Wizard Cup with ten straight wins, and eventually lost a preliminary final by one goal. King and Michael Gardiner are the cast-off #3 ruckmen directly from premiership winning teams. Premiership winning teams don't apply youth policies; thus we can only assume that neither is as good as Blake or Seaby. Would St Kilda fans be bubbling with such excitement if their rucks boasted Blake and Seaby? Of course not. Having a good side on paper is as tangibly important as shinboner spirit.
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 11 Mar 2008 15:22
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haha hope the saints can break that.... "curse".... this year. i reackon a lot of teams would ahve been relieved that stkilda left its run to the finals to late last season. they were in some good form and had almost a full list with onli a few key players out. and now with the new recruits we have some depth... first time ever.
Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 10 Mar 2008 19:28
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I also contest the unsubstantiated assertion that "st Kilda has the best side on paper." And even if they did, having the best side on paper is about as tangibly important as shinboner spirit.
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 10 Mar 2008 17:12
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Its simple... stkilda have got possiby the best midfield in the league... now with added depth, and the most potent forward line. our backline is solid. and if ur to stupid to see we have got probs the best forward line and one of the best middles ur stuipid. i mite sound biased because i am a stkilda supporter but the differnece between this year and the last decade is we acctually have palyers to cover injuries now. St. Kilda are a real shot at the flag this year. there main challenges will be the eagles, cats, hawks and i think adelaide.
Alisha (Saints supporter), 9 Mar 2008 8:56
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Look the fact is St Kilda has the best side on paper. Not sounding bias but the saints have a good chance and like the last five years we have had the team, on the other hand our injuries have let us down. So let’s hope season '08' is the year for the Saints. I shall discuss this half way through the season by then I will feel more confident.
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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 10 Mar 2008 8:03
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Im not sure if the side on paper is the best side in the AFL, the defence is decent but not outstanding, nowhere near the defence of Geelongs or maybe WCE. Sam Fisher s decent, Hudghton is a workhorse, Maguire is strong and Gram is a ball magnet but non of them hurt you with their passing ability. They do rely on the midfield helping the defence out. Saints have a great midfield and forward line but even this depends on Kosi being fit. I was impressed with King and Gardiner in the NAB Cup Final. They seemed to work well together and when Gardiner finally had the last qtr in the ruck he got a bit of it and did very well. I would only be worried if you become very top heavy down foward cause if the ball comes out they wont be able to stop the defence creating forward attacks. Gehrig, Kosi, Riewoldt, Gardiner... that is massive. I think St Kilda will be in the top 4 but i cant see Geelong losing.
John from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 9 Mar 2008 15:58
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I rate St. Kilda because they've recruited extremely well, and seem to have better depth to cover their injuries. They stood up to magnificent pressure from Adelaide in oppressive conditions in Adelaide, and if anyone thinks that the Crows weren't fair dinkum last night, just look at Neil Craig's reaction last night. I expect Essendon, St. Kilda and my Dogs improve, and Sydney, Port and West Coast to not be as good. TOP 8: Gee, St K, Haw, Coll, Ess, Adel, Port, Dogs. Spoon: Rich or Melb
Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 26 Feb 2008 13:24
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They are suffering the legacy of Grant Thomas' lack of understanding about the importance of having a decent ruckman. The Saints list is full of patch-up recycled ruckmen - Gardiner, Clarke, King, etc - and I know from experience (Ackland, McLaren, French, etc) that this never works.
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Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 1 Mar 2008 9:52
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difference is gardiner and king are quality recycled ruckman,whos clarke niether x or r clarke r ruckmen or recycled and lets face nothing works at carlscum not even judd yet
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 1 Mar 2008 18:05
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Let's review. Gardiner has played no games, and has brought shame onto himself through his shady associations. King was always injury-prone, was Geelong's third string ruckman behind a part-time forward (Ottens) and a 21-year-old (Blake), is well past his best, and probably won't play much longer. MATTHEW Clarke (not Xavier or Raphael, but the one who is actually a twice-recycled ruckman like I said he was [first at Brisbane, then to Adelaide, then finally to The Rabble]) was drafted to be an important ruckman, and played a total of ten games before retirement; one or two years from now, I predict that we will be saying the exact same thing about Steven King - ten games, got injured, no impact, retired. You say "nothing works at Carlton, not even Judd yet," yet espouse the successes of two discarded ruckman who have yet to pull on a St Kilda jumper to try to corroborate your own vague point - whatever that point was.
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Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 3 Mar 2008 17:09
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" Gardiner has played no games and has brought shame on to himself through his shady associations" this from a Carlscum supporter, the biggest cheats in the whole competition, with the most corrupt board ever assembled you did say current list Matthew Clark is not a current player we only need king or gardiner for one year, to win the flag Next year can look after itself the flag will come this year
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 3 Mar 2008 17:27
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And if you believe hard enough, it will come true.
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Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 3 Mar 2008 17:44
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Unfortunately, the same can't be said for Carl scum no matter how much you believe it ain't going to come true
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 3 Mar 2008 19:36
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Oh, no, really? Because I was under the delusion that Chris Judd was a magical being sent by the fates to carry Carlton out of the mire and into immediate glory with a 2008 premiership. Oh, you've really spoiled my year now.
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Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 5 Mar 2008 20:33
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"Oh, no, really? Because I was under the delusion that Chris Judd was a magical being sent by the fates to carry Carlton out of the mire and into immediate glory with a 2008 premiership." delusional seems to be a carlscum supporter trait
'Oh, you've really spoiled my year now."
good arnt i
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 7 Mar 2008 8:12
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Why do you persist in replying to my sarcasm as if I'm being serious?
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Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 7 Mar 2008 9:05
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if thats your idea of sarcasm,give it up now its the lowest form of wit there is and your no good at it so i'd leave wit out of it,otherwise your just making yourself look silly u r probably in the region of halfwit
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 7 Mar 2008 18:50
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It is the lowest form of wit. But, I'd suggest it leaves its writer with more credibility than someone who replies with lame insults, dotted with incorrect use of the words 'your' and 'its.' I'd brush up on my primary school English before I accusing others of being halfwits. Rather than continue this pointless bickering, I propose a truce, coupled with an agreement to disagree, right now. I shall not be replying to you again.
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Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 7 Mar 2008 20:08
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see i ruin your year an you make my day p.s i didnt realise this was an english exam,thought it was a forum, p.p.s "I'd brush up on my primary school English before i accusing others of being halfwits." D- lol halfwit
Ryan from Valença (Saints supporter), 6 Mar 2008 19:16
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go suk a dick stkilda will dominate this season
Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 1 Mar 2008 10:16
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"Why do people always think St. Kilda are going to be real good at the start of any season? Their form is always poor," why would you think essendumb will be anygood our forms better than theirs after all we're playing in the nab cup grand final and who did we beat to get there thats right ESSENDUMB roflmao
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Josh from Carrum Downs (Bombers supporter), 3 Mar 2008 21:03
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You won a practice match, wahoo, pfft... Wait till the season proper to make calls like that... Oh, and one other thing, I thought Fraser G. was on the pension now as he had retired... He may kick some goals, but I don't see him winning too many games for you. Robert Harvey is a champ, on his last year now maybe, I respect him, and feel sorry for him that he wasn't on a premiership winning side, he is one player that deserved to be...
Austin (Bombers supporter), 2 Mar 2008 10:38
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Recycling ruckmen CAN work though - you just have to be very selective about who you get.. It's really hard to get a young kid and train him up to be a premier ruckman, it takes AGES for them to be competitive against the established elite ruckmen in the AFL..
Paul from Melbourne (Swans supporter), 26 Feb 2008 12:02
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Not even the diehards at Moorabbin (or is it Frankston, or Casey, or WHO CARES?) can deny that St Kilda have been the biggest disappointment in the competition for the past five years. People will argue this point but I mean it from a "potential" perspective. Ball, Riewoldt, Kosi, Xavier and Raph Clarke... the list goes on and on... all potential champions, some of them proven champion footballers. What do they say about a team of champions versus a champion team?? (Hell, look at Geelong last year - now THAT was a champion team). I'll openly admit that St.Kilda is the team I hate the most in the comp, but I can keep an open view... ?!! hehe Notice that most of the premiers in the last decade have had a good run with injuries. St. Kilda desperately need that because look at their list, it is VERY good, but only if they stay fit. Daniel's point is good about Gardiner, but add King, Kosi, Riewoldt etc into that and they look very dangerous. After all that drivel I have typed, I think that Rossy Lyon needs to get the complete support of his board, his staff and his players in order to be successful. So to answer Austin's question, yes I do rate them (conditionally) but I don't have to like `em!!
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 23 Feb 2008 23:06
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the saints r my smokey for the flag this year. they stay fit and they can beat anyone. great forward line and midfield and a attacking defence. Michael Gardiner is the wildcard. He fires and the Saints will go very close.
Peter from Geelong (Saints supporter), 23 Feb 2008 17:04
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"And the other thing that I'm still not over is that they sacked the only decent coach they'd had in 50 years - the only man who could get such a talentless team close to making the finals..." sounds more like the essendumb bumbers to me :-)
Justin (Cats supporter), 19 Feb 2008 9:42
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Yes i rate them highly, There forward line will now stretch most backlines, they have a ok ruck division and if they don't get injuried expect them to be top 4.
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