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Who's over rated Carlton fans??
Had a great laugh at the recent forum asking if Collingwood was over rated. Let's face it Carlton hasn't won since beating Collingwood, losing to sides who have spent all of or the majority of the season bottom 8. Well the Pies have gone on to beat two current Top 4 sides. So the answer to that forum would be Collingwood is where the majority believe they would be, not the leaders of the pack but within the main bunch who could deliver the knock out punch come finals time. Top 4 is where the Premier comes from. Well not there yet the marathon is not yet over. Carlton on the other hand have a talented playing list that is not able to play consistent football and against Collingwood they played their hearts out but can't maintain it during the long season and will fall off the back of the pack at some stage of the season. Their fans look silly and stupid now with their behaviour and statements. On Carlton fans, it was interesting to see in the Herald Sun's football survey only Carlton and Melbourne fans (57%) didn't have a problem with tanking. Isn't tanking cheating?? So Carlton's recent history has rubbed off on it's
supporters??? Perhaps the club is run by high profile supporters who don't mind cheating full stop, just as Dick Pratt and Elliot have done in their seperate business lives.
By Guy (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 15:30
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 16 Jul 2008 8:34,
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wat a stupid post. i also think that its hilarious wenever eddie betts touches the footy the crowd goes nuts.... he isnt that good. he kicks like 3 or 4 good goals a year. i dont see how carlton fans think hes such a good cruming forward wen on friday nite it was the first time hes kicked more then 1 goal in a game this year! i did expect a bit more from carlton last friday though after 5 years of tanking.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 19:42,
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I'm a Carlton man who reckons Eddie's OK and that's about it. Dangerous exciting, inconsistent
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 10:06,
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never said he wasnt ok. just saying hes over rated.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 20:26hide comment
That's pretty much what I'm sayin
Guy (Magpies supporter), 16 Jul 2008 14:18,
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Stupid Post Matt, Maybe you weren't at the G when they played the Pies. In fact maybe you never see these Nuff Nuff supporters "go off" when they win a game of footy. Then again they haven't beaten you since 2002. Maybe they don't rate your club just like we don't rate them which means it's an easier game. Either way you never get to see the morans in full swing.
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 16 Jul 2008 15:51hide comment
Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 15:43,
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i am in a dilemma, i actually want the pies to beat the kangas (as it helps the blues get in the top 8), but it hurts so much...hmmm...what to do....i just want another opportunity to play against the black and white and bloody smash you again.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 20:25hide comment
You reckon that's bad I've gotta conduct an Auskick clinic tomorrow and it's in conjuction with Collingwood so there's gunna 6 players there. It's the second time we've had them this year cause there our zone or something like that. But seriously they are were good bunch of blokes last time and the kids loved it. But when they were signing jumpers last time I told my young fella I'd kill him if he got his signed.
Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:00,
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Poor deluded Guy (typical whinging pies supporter). If Collingwood are so good and Carlton has beaten them easily twice this year, and u say Carlton are crap...lets see if i can follow logic..oh yea, that makes the pies even crapper. Don't get me started on your teams off field gangster antics, hmm wasnt a pies player in a mobsters car getting shot at? There is no more successful team in the history of AFL than the blues, how many flags have you won? How silly are u if you think that no other team was working the draft and salary cap system, the difference is, carlton got caught. This is why we will always hate pies "fans", they just cant hack geaten beaten by the blues, especially twice in a year...haha...twice! breathe it in pies losers! we beat you!
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:21,
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hardly call the second win an easy win? and we beat you guys twice last year and we didn't go around like we are king of the world. just have a squizz at the ladder positions to see where the better teams lie. 
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Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 15:38,
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i didnt say we are kings of the world, just dealing with the facts...yes you are above us on the ladder, thats true, but if you can't even beat us (as crap as all pies say we are), what hope will you have against the better teams....? u wont be top 4 and you wont win a final, and you wont have beaten us this year....
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 16:01,
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clearly we've beaten better teams, let's just see how the finals play out. hopefully you'll be able to barrack, rather than just watch
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Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 16:14,
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you better pray we dont make the finals, could u handle losing to us 3 times in a year? what a game that would be...to be honest i dont think we'll play finals...but if we do and we play you guys...bring it!!!
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 16:27,
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it'll be interesting no doubt, cant say id look forward to it, but it'd bring 95 thousand to the game
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 20:19hide comment
Imagine 95 thou at the G it'd be ON . I'd avoid Cricketers Arms before the game thats for sure!!
Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 16:07,
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You want to talk about delusion? You're deluded if you think you can follow 'logic' Your definition of logic is screwed. You judge a teams ability by how they perform in TWO games in a season? Let's use your sense of logic:- Geelong beat Carlton by 56 points in round 10. The week before, Collingwood beat Geelong by 86 points. So, according to you, Collingwood are a 142 point better team than Carlton! Essendon beat Carlton by 35 points and Sydney beat Essendon by 91 points. I assume therefore that you're expecting a 126 point loss this week? Actually, that mightn't be far off the mark. Good luck you deluded 'logician'.
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Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 16:13,
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1 simple fact for a simple mind...we beat you twice and it was amazing!
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 16:29,
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What a great comeback from the King of simplistic logic. I agree, it was amazing! Amazing to see Fev play two good games in one season!
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Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 17:18hide comment
i'm glad we can agree (it might be some sort of Blues Pies record agreeing on something)..it's all good fun. Have a good weekend. Please beat the kangas and help us make the 8.
Jessica (Magpies supporter), 16 Jul 2008 15:15,
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poor deluded andrew (typical whinging blues supporter)... yes you beat us twice this year and you are still where on the ladder hmmmm.... lol.... logic, yep i would say that makes the blues losers compared... typical how you blues suppporters result to history because you have nothing to say in the present.... what did alan didak do wrong? got a lift home with a friend, hell i should be up for numerous charges if that is such a felony.... as for off field antics shouldnt you be looking closer to home at fev, i mean it doesnt matter where he is, or even what country he knows how to publicly disgrace himslef, his club oh and you, the supporters... lol yes carlton got caught, carlton was milking the public and its fans... playing on the draft system which the only reason why you have a half decent playing list at the moment (save your breath if you are going to play the violin and sing to me of fev and judd, they dont make your whole team).... your team of late hav been nothing but crooks and disgraces that play on AFL history, because that all carlton really is history.... you beat us ha you can have it..... you have to throw a dog a bone sometime.... Like i said to you before where are you on the ladder... that right girly 9TH, where are we? thats right girly 5TH! do the math there if you can
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Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 15:36hide comment
oh dear, another black and white bogan...i bet u have fluffy dice too. You cant beat decent team, you wont make the top 4, lets have a friendly wager. i will apologise and eat my words if you make the top 4. i love banter with Pies supporters, our oldest rivals...its fun, because neither side will ever give an inch..i i love that!!! ps, i will stay quiet on fev, haha...i doubt i'd ever be able to win that argument, lol...
Guy (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 17:44hide comment
Well put Jess though Andrew seems to have disappeared. Maybe his gone to watch a fight with Mick Gatto. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. How much of Underbelly was filmed at Princess Park (or was that Optus Oval?)? Love how everyone gets stuck into Didak at the games. Let's see Geelong's greatest ever play lied to a young girl about the substance she was about to snort. She died. St Kilda had players charged with Rape. North Melbourne's David Dench has been sent to jail for fraud. The list goes on. Didak would have been scared **** when in the situation he was in. Typical Carlton wankers taking cheap shots.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 21:29,
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Andrew you tool. You really don't know alot about footy do you! What stupid statements you make. Collingwood don't give a hoot you beat us twice, Carlton is one club out of 15 we have to beat. Funny thing that, you care so much and we don't rate you any higher than any other club. Tanking is cheating mate, not working the draft as you called it. Working the salary cap as you say is constitutes cheating. Perfect example you are of the entire point in my forum. Gangster stuff you refer to must be a reference to Didak hey Tough Man!!!
If you were in a similar situation you would go to the police and report what happen hey?? You never get into situations that you don't know how to handle??? As for your logic well you are a stupid little man aren't you. Collingwood will finish Top 4 and make the Prelim final just like last year. Where will Carlton be you tool, bottom 8. Beating Collingwood twice this year was your final series, we worry about the real stuff. Carlton shares the most premierships with the Bombers at 16 so you don't own the title outright. However who has won the most games in league history???
Collingwood that's who. Unlike Carlton we give our all throughout the year. Toser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Andrew from Perth (Blues supporter), 18 Jul 2008 15:26hide comment
uneducated pies person..whats a toser? haha...put your teeth back in...if we make the finals god i hope we get to play you and beat you for a 3rd time this year..i shouldnt be greedy, twice is enough though tough man
Aaron from Perth (Blues supporter), 15 Jul 2008 16:25,
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Didn't they beat Richmond? Cartlon have a few selfish players who need to learn the value of team play. That will happen or hopefully they will be f*cked off. I don't remember the AFL comming out with a rule that says tanking is not allowed. In fact the AFL reward it. If Collingwood were in the same position they would have done the same thing. I think your just pissed off that Judd came to Cartlon instead of Collingwood. You guys are no better than us so quit pretending like you are. I can't and won't defend Pratt or Elliot except to say that Pratt pretty much saved the club. Other than that he is a prick and deserves what he got.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 17:18,
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Yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. A carlton fan that won't defend Elliott or Pratt.
I'm not pissed off Judd didn't come to Collingwood as we weren't in a position to acquire him even if he chose to come to Collingwood. Would I have loved him, bloody oath, he is a gun. However we would have had to give up too much and would have sufferred as a result. Collingwood would never tank, we have to much pride in our jumper. Sending people to surgery to be right for next year is one thing but to disgrace your jumper as Carlton did several times last year is Tanking. For supporters to feel it is ok as the survey mentioned discovered just says alot about the club and culture.
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Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:02,
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What are you talking about disgracing the jumper? All we did last year WAS put players under the knife early so they could be right for pre-season and the proper season. Absolutley no different to what Colingwood did in the 2005 season when they put their players into surgery before seasons end. And , hang on. what did Collingwood get out of this? Thats right , a PRIORITY PICK!! So if theres nothing wrong with putting players into surgery before seasons end then please tell me where we disgrace our jumpers?
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 21:14,
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Craig, As I said putting players into surgery to be right for the following season isn't tanking. Unexplainable interchange moves such as Fev's when on a roll against the Pies, that's tanking. Not winning another game after Chris Judd's manager tells ya club he is coming home, that's tanking. As for disgracing your jumper then that's that. However should I mention selling your jumper and becoming the Aqua Blues.
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Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 19:36,
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Co- incidence that Fev did have surgery after that game, (might have been the week after) but obviously something wasnt right. I'm not too sure where you have attained information that Judds manager told Carlton he was definatley leaving. If this was true and theres obviously a leak somewhere, than surely the media wouldve been all over this and broke the news. Is Carlton the only club that has changed their jumper? that was ten years ago for gods sake, what about the crap that adelaide, port adelade, hawthorn, melbourne etc serve up with their alternate strip.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 9:59,
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It was the media that reported Paul Connors had told Carlton he was coming home. Made the papers but wasn't followed up. Maybe that week there was more important stuff like the Cousins saga. Other AFL clubs change their jumper to ?? raise revenue, test the supporters views I don't really know but only Carlton have sold their jumper.
On the alternative strips I don't really have an opinion. My club rightly or wrongly states they will never change, even though they have in the past that's more a president's view and could change with a new one. I really like some of the jumpers, Hawthorn's is ok, never care about SA clubs so haven't noticed. Gary Lyon might hate it and won a media campaign to get rid of it but Melbourne's 2008 is great. How great would a Carlton win be this week???? Bloody awesome if we win Friday. It will put us in TOP 4. So good luck mate do it for the Pies
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Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 17 Jul 2008 21:56hide comment
hahaha, we will try! not sure if we will be doing for collingwood but anyway, a win is a win and sydney wouldnt be a bad scalp i must say. Ill respect your opinion on Judd coming back to Melbourne, however i think it wouldve been fairly big news, even if it was the time when Cousins was coming back, seeing the story was brewing for the last year or so and he is the biggest name in football. I think St.Kilda was another who sold their jumper with those yellow ones. But as far as I see it , it was 11 years ago and there is no need to argue about something that is not any news in todays football. In terms of the topic of this post, it is annoying me people , especially carlton supporters (I must admit) saying how over rated collingwood is. Collingwood are a very good TEAM , they are disciplined and well coached which improves their abilities by about 10-15% i believe. They do match up well against some teams, Geelong and Sydney noticeably, and dont match uo well against others Carlton and North Melbourne for instance. I think the media is responsible for people believing Collingwood are over rated by saying they are a premiership threat, which i believe they aren't. They just dont have to quality of players of which Geelong, Western Bulldogs or Hawthorn do this year. But they will be there abouts come September( I hope they fall at their knees) but as long as you make the Top 8 anything can happen as they say.
Aaron from Perth (Blues supporter), 17 Jul 2008 10:44hide comment
Since you put it that way... Maybe tanking wouldn't be such a bad thing
Bethany from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 21:14hide comment
You carlton and collingwood supporters are always at each other! I reakon the blues are on the rise probably won't make the eight this year but will be there in future years for sure I reakon the supporters are just excited about the prospect of a finals birth. Collingwood will be there in September again and will go pretty far. Thats my take
Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 15 Jul 2008 19:49,
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I don't think Carlton are overrated I reckon were about where I thought we'd be 8-10 wins for year. On track with 7. However I don't think Pies are overrated, I think they play above themselves take that as a back handed comment. However Guy, I had this discussion about tanking with you before. Here's some facts I still reckon we didn't necessarily tank. Round 12 Lost to Hawks by100 fullside in Round 13 Lost to Dockers by 77 fullside Round 14 Demons Lost by 23 fullside Round 15 Swans 62 Round 16 Lions 117 Pagan sacked. Up to this stage do you think thats tanking considering a guy got the a"rse. Round 17 Saints Ratts first game lost 10 Kouta injured last game Round 18 Pies 24 we couldn't have tanked that as your so much better than us haha Round 19 Power 23 over there good effort Round 20 Ess lost by 10 Fev got injured b4 halftime didn't play again Round 21 Roos lost by 82 Fisher does knee Lappin back doesn't play again Round 22 Demons lost 4 goals. So as you can see there was a significant improvement under new game plan with Ratts. We had no Fev last 3 games no Stevens all year, Lappin and Kouta retired early. And ended up playing all the kids last 6 weeks. Plus don't forget Ratten wasn't coach yet so this was his job interview so to speak. Plus don't forget we didn't win a game for 5 years cause we could'nt. I would admit though last round there was no defence but his was the backline Andrew Walker 17 Setanta Ã" hAilpÃn 21 Mark Austin HB: 18 Paul Bower 40 Michael Jamieson 29 Heath Scotland hardly bignames. Anyway we hate you you hate us. Thats the way it should be and it's good that the rivally is getting back to where it belongs cause i rememenr when we were floggin you in early 2000's I almost stopped hating ya
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 21:39,
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We play above ourselves hey Mal?? Better than tanking. Finishing Top 4 and giving the premier a fright in the prelim isn't an achievement. Mal that's just about the highest praise I would ever expect from a Blues man such as you. As for Tanking well re watch the games played after June and take your pick what looks out of place. Fev's being brought to the bench after almost winning the game off his own boot against Collingwood is one of many. As for the hatred you mention, well I love my AFL to the point I almost became a neutral supporter. My hatred is born of the salary cap cheating and now the tanking. Not to mention the whinging and moaning about how hard the penalties were from the Carlton fans. Your cheating changed history and robbed the Bombers the chance to win the flag. For your president to get up and gloat knowing full well you were cheats says it all.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 15 Jul 2008 22:00,
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Just reckon you guys get everything out of yourselves. But you do struggle when some in the team are off. So congrats to Malthouse. But you reckon we tanked againnst you guys? Thought it was more Rocca kicking four goals in the last that was the difference. You can't deny that we were havin a crack in the last 6 weeks under Ratts. Figures speak for themselves and we had the 4th youngest Carlton team ever on the park. And do you think guys with careers on the line would tank? As I've said b4 we didn't win a game hardly for 5 -6 years. As for Carlton fans whingeing and moaning they probably are because we love our club and a few people appointed by members to do the right thing fukced it up. As far as the Bombers go they were a 10 goal better side than us in 99 but didn't give us the respect on the day so their bad luck.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 16 Jul 2008 14:21,
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Lets face it though, one of your assistant coaches from last year came out and said they had tanked. Forget about the public relations job done later, that was to protect your brand and the AFL brand.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 19:40,
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Yeah a guy with no creditibilty don't even think he's welcome at Bulldogs either with some of the comments he made there a few years back. Sour grapes on Libba's behalf.
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Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 19:59,
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Fair point mal. Libba aint no Carlton boy, he has no love for the club. a carlton person would never of made the comments libba made about our club. He lost a lot of his credibility from that act. Where is he now.. hes coaching down at Sunbury
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 20:12,
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He's a dog, small man syndrome. And a **** coach to boot.
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Craig from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 20:18,
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hahahaha nice call. hes actually doing quite well down at sunbury just incase u were wondering. but that pretty much sums it up about being a **** coach . not upto AFL level.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 20:35hide comment
He's probably doin better than the coach of my local club Berwick. It's Ronnie Burns he's terrible you'll never see him at AFL standard.
Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 17:59,
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I wouldn't call tanking cheating unless the AFL will enforce bans on it. Unsporting would be a better description I think.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 21:43,
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What about salary cap cheating Nicholas??? It cost your club the chance to win the premiership in 99. For their president to get up and call you cheats for a minor mistake. It's in their culture mate. Unsporting or tanking take your pick it's cheating.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 21:50,
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That's a good point, and its also why I'm slow to condemn other clubs. I'm sure just about every club has done things that their supporters aren't proud of, mine included. I also think that there are gray areas, Essendon by Matthew Knights admission are focusing on building our team, this might come at the expense of a shot at finals and as such would result in us getting better draft picks. Would you consider this cheating?
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 16 Jul 2008 3:21,
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Matthew Knights is building a side, they have won their last 4 games so improvement is noted. Knights will be doing everything he can to play finals. How safe is his job if he takes the easy way out and looks to the draft?? Sheedy has indicated his has the hunger to coach. Look what Leigh Matthews done after being sacked by Collingwood with the Lions. His coaching reputation at that point was no where Sheedy's. Knight's isn't stupid in fact he has surprised me with the improvement the Bombers have shown.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 16 Jul 2008 16:40hide comment
Knights has said that he's not focusing on the finals but instead on building a side. I was just wondering if you considered this cheating or not as it could result in us losing some games and consequently getting better draft picks.
Dylan (Blues supporter), 16 Jul 2008 11:18,
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What a pies supporters going on about how can u consider urself a successful club u have won 1 flag in 50yrs comon mate give us a break. Also 99 was before we got introuble for the salary cap and also it was well documented that there was about 8 clubs who cheated but the afl just wanted to make an example of us. Also in 99 we came up against a great outfit in the roos. Also collingwood is always competetive but they dont have the points on the board in the last 50yrs and im sure most posters on here would have only seen coll win 1 flag so shut up and take ur medicine. Also we hardly tanked in rd 18 last year we brought Walker into our side which is clearley making it stronger and we played young kids that no dbout wanted to win players dont olay footy to lose no matter what u say. go back to coll and keep finishing 6th and getting no where
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 16 Jul 2008 14:13hide comment
Who said anything about a successful club??? Typical Nuff Nuff supporter who can't read. Don't know your own club history though I wouldn't want to either. 99 was the year that got Carlton into all the **** for the salary cap cheating. The year you are talking about was a couple beforehand where alot of the breachs were minor. The AFL didn't want to stick it to you, the level of cheating was unbelievable but that's Carlton. Lets face it though, one of your assistant coaches from last year came out and said they had tanked. Forget about the public relations job done later, that was to protect your brand and the AFL brand. We are the Navy Blues, nah the White Blues nah the Aqua Blues.. Hey but good on you for trying to stick up for your club.
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