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Would Carlton be better off letting Fev go?
Great win by the Saints last night, they played some really good footy some of their best this year I reckon, and alot of their players seem to have found some form, Milne kicked some exciting goals and Kozi and Revolt were taking fantastic marks but... What happened to Fev last night? I couldn't believe the way he was walking arm in arm off the ground with certain Saints players, it looked like he was almost happy that the Blues lost. I dont hate Carlon, or Fev but that was just the most blatant display of disloyalty I think I have ever seen. Fair enough go and shake hands and congratulate the winning side, and for sure he is probably friends with some Sk Kilda players, but him doing that is not a good sight for the CFC or it's supporters. (I'd be even more disgusted if it was a Bulldogs player behaving like that after a loss, especially if it was a team that we'd lost to on 11 consecutive encounters) In my opinion Carlton would be alot better off letting him go. And if he was a True Blue and had faith in his club he would've already signed on with them, and Carlton have so much young talent they should be focusing on developing. It's not fair on these young guys when they have Fev who can be so great one week then dissapoint so freely the next.
By Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 12 Jul 2008 12:02
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Angela from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 15 Jul 2008 17:57,
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Wasn't Fev only being friendly to the St Kilda players cause he needs to be he may be there next year.. who knows????
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Alisha (Saints supporter), 15 Jul 2008 21:36hide comment
No Angela we don't need Fev! Not that it's the answer to the question. What the Saints need is more young guys, strength in the midfield and maybe just a little bit of work on the backline. Our forward line is very strong at the moment, just need to work on the accuracy.
Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 19:01hide comment
Only Fevola knows. But you can't seriously think that can you?
Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 15:21hide comment
Friendship has no place on a football field whether it be before, during or after a game. Leave it until you get off the ground, away from the field of battle. On the ground it's all about representing your club, and hugging opposition players while you're laughing and smiling after your team has lost a game that could prove to be very important in the context of reaching the finals is not a good way of representing your club and respecting your clubs captain and supporters. Fev's a great player when he's on, but as a club representative he's a thoughtless knob.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 14 Jul 2008 0:04,
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Maybe the question should be....... Will Carlton win a flag with Fev??? I doubt
it, he wants a 4 year contract, at this point the Blues will be just about right if they can hold their list together. He could be pushed out due to the salary cap ohh la la Hardwick, Carcella etc. His display of affection towards the St Kilda players upset his coach. End of story. No sportsmanship nothing zero. He disrespected the club and his teammates. It's one thing to shake hands and say hello, that sportsmanship but hugging??? See ya. Plus why is he shopping himself around?? It was him who started the Sydney rumours. Nice team player. Get rid of him come trade time, two 1st round draft picks plus a player and boom boom. Carlton will mature together and as much as I hate to say it, be stronger than Geelong of 07. As for Goodes and maybe Hall. What a joke and sham on anyone repeating such crap. Goodes brings alot to the brand Sydney and doesn't bring sham such as Fev could. P.S. Alisha there is no way you will ever see Judd hugging an Eagle player, talking and laughing yes. Hugging no bloody way he is a respectful person
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 14 Jul 2008 9:40,
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stick to the facts Guy... If Fev gets 4 years, the last 2 years he will be on the veterans list, opening up more $ for our young fellas to stay around. The only person that got annoyed with Fev after the game was Buckley - message to Buckley "none of your business"! Ratten mentioned it after the game but with the view that every player is diferent, especially Fev. It is not something he is all that worried about. Fev and Hudgton are actually best mates. Fev did not start the Sydney rumors you mo'ron, Hutchy did on channel Eddie! And Hutchy now looks like a wanker because it was a load of bull and has been denied b y Fevola and all at Sydney. Hutchy has no credibility and is simply a headline chaser. We don't want Goodes, and we definitely don't want Barry Hall. Hall is gone, finished. Goodes is about to turn 29 and we are looking for youth. Would we win a flag with Goodes? no way.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 14 Jul 2008 12:16,
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You are a moran aren't you. Fev started the rumours at the Fenech fight and people have been quoted that they heard it. Hutchy might be a moran like you too but his rep is important to him so his not going to make it up.
You call yourself a Carlton fan but obviously you aren't that interested. Obviously you don't read all the papers, AFL.com, watch TV or listen to the radio. Ratten and Swann were pissed off about him hugging the St Kilda players.
Due to previous silly statements made by yourself I had come to understand you as being Carlton through and through and hard core at that.
However if you condone Fev hugging members of the opposition team then you are nothing zilch of a supporter. Goodes and Hall wouldn't be offered by Sydney anyway so re read what I said moran. Sydney is a proud club (remember when Carlton was before they were cheaters???), they wouldn't disrespect the mentioned players after the service given. Goodes is a duel Brownlow medalist and both All Australian. Fev is a brilliant player if he decides to play. However a big risk for any club. I wouldn't bother, his not a team player. Did you read what Mark Maclure had to say about Fev?? By the way his an ex Carlton premiership player. As for Fev being a veteran. Won't Judd and Stevens be there before him?? So instead of getting emotional about statements about Carlton, gather all the facts first and think about it. Better yet realise you can't separate your emotions and the facts and not say anything at all loser.
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Adrian from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 14 Jul 2008 14:26,
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Firstly Judds 25 Fevs 28 so Fev will be a vertran before Judd. The 3 year 2mill contract we offered him was weighed so that he would be getting more money in the 3rd year when half his contract could be on the vertans list that way we can fit him under the cap and still pay him what he wants. Seconds you say that Goodes brings alot to the Sydney brand, not any more. His coach has told him to pull his head in after hes been reported 3 times this year. This means that a Fev for Goodes and/or Hall trade would all involve players with issues. Also with the Sydney offer it wasnt so much an offer. Before Fevola had a manager Andrew Island spoke to Fev and told him that Sydney might be interested in offering him the contract. They did it when he didnt have a manager so that they could talk to him before his contract talks came up with Carlton and that way hes always going to be thinking about it and might choose to leave Carlton if an agreement dosnt happen, and Sydney have had some success as Fev hasnt signed yet.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 14 Jul 2008 14:53,
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Adrian, A man prepare to back up opinion with facts. Steve take notes. However I hardly see Goodes actions this year affecting the Sydney brand. Roos came out and said it wasn't good enough for the simple reason his coach and had to play a good side without one of his best players. As for Hall well he is in a different class and would be untouchable by any other clubs. With his current health he could walk away from footy altogether. Bigger risk than acquiring Fev really. Fev at the moment reminds me of Aker before leaving the lions and is probably having a similar effect on the young players as Cousins did at the Eagles. Instability is not what Carlton needs. It's good Ratten and Swann are on public record now saying sign or leave. We only wanted committed players.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 14 Jul 2008 20:04,
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Guy, I could be wrong but I think you have to play for the one club for a certain amount amount of time to be on veterans list. It could be 10 years? So Judd will never be on list and I think he's contract is very heavily forward weighted so he gets more now. Anyway most Carlton supporters shot me down at start of year when I said we should have kept Kennedy and gave Fev to Eagles. I still stand by it. He's a champ but bloody frustrating. I wouldn't care if he went as long as we got something good for him. But if he stays no probs with that either.
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 14 Jul 2008 21:20,
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You are correct about the rules concerning veterans. I've always been uneasy about trading Kennedy, but I wouldn't have traded Fev in his place.
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Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 14 Jul 2008 21:46hide comment
Would you have traded Fev and pick 3? And kept Josh and pick 20? I would have traded Fev and pick 20 but don't think Eagles would have gone for that. Bet Swanny threw something like that out there but we'll never know. However I reckon Josh is gunna be an absolute jet but I'm biased towards CHF as that's where I played over 20 years
Guy (Magpies supporter), 14 Jul 2008 21:45hide comment
So as I was referring to Chris Judd will be a Veteran listed player at Carlton. THE AFL is considering a raft of changes to its veteran list rules in an effort to prevent the introduction of free agency. Under the proposal being considered by the league, players would be able to transfer their years of service from one club to another. As an example of the proposed changes, Carlton’s Chris Judd could be added to the club’s veteran list when he turns thirty, even though he would have been at the club for less than ten years. The current rules stipulate that a player needs to have been at a club for ten years and be thirty years of age. So as I was referring to Chris Judd will be a Veteran listed player at Carlton.
Adrian from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 14 Jul 2008 10:48hide comment
All these trade talks with Goodes and Hall would never happen because Carlton has the reputaion of being very hard come trade week. We didnt let Thorton go two years ago and we almost forced the Eagles into giving Judd for what they got as the eagles wanted alot more. Hall's peaked when the swans won the priemiership and the last thing we need is another midfielder even if it is Goodes. If we were to trade Fev we would want a young tall foward and a first and second round picks. Much like what we gave for Judd. If we can go into the draft with 4 picks in the first two rounds we could find another tall foward to develope and we wouldnt be in such a bad situation. Thats the only way Fevs leaving becasue if we got anything less for him we would be alot worse off without him.
Alisha (Saints supporter), 13 Jul 2008 15:51,
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Players all the time go up to each other after or before the game and maybe a have a little chat, especially if they were a former team mate. There is no time or the day where you don't see it, if there mates it happens all the time and I think a lot of people know that Fev is mates with the Saints boys. It's just hyped up cause it's Fev, tell me you wouldn't see Juddy doing the same thing with the boys at the eagles? When the spotlight is on you the spotlight is on and after the performance that Fev pulled it's no wonder the media put a little edge to it.
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Christopher from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 13 Jul 2008 16:09hide comment
The rumours are of him going to Sydney rather than St Kilda. For example Marty Clarke and Tadhg Kennelly both from Ireland are mates because they come from the same country and get together and always have a chat after the game. Many players have close mates from other teams, whether it is through past team mates from perhaps under 18 level or whatever it may be. There is hardy an issue here. The rumour more so is that Fevola won't re-sign with Carlton due to the contract. Fev says he wants to stay on, but Brett Ratten said that this is what we are offering if he doesn't want it then we won't keep him on. Sydney would love him and the rumour is about that Sydney are willing to trade Adam Goodes for Fev. Whether it happens is another thing. Nothing is set in concrete after all!
Christopher from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 13 Jul 2008 11:44,
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In all seriousness trade him for Adam Goodes. SYdney want him, Carlton don't want to give him a new contract as he wants too much. Would work well for both teams. Goodes can play off the half back line to strengthen their defence and who knows Barry Hall might also come as an extra gift to the blues to brighten their day! If Fev stuffs up in sydney then basically Carlton have got Goodes and Hall for nothing which you can't say is a bad thing for carlton. If Fev sparks up for Sydney then maybe they might just win their first game against Collingwood since 2005?
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 13 Jul 2008 12:10,
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lol Good point, but I dont know, maybe I'm just in a sentimental mood, but the guy has spent his whole career at Carlton, and I mean we're talking at leat 600 grand a year for 3 years, thats 3 or 4 times the amount any human being actually NEEDS to live on. All rivalry aside his team is on the rise, they have got so much young talent to be excited about why the hell would you want to leave now? I refuse to believe that the only thing the AFL is about is $$$. You cannot under estimate the personal gratification being part of a team provides.
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Christopher from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 13 Jul 2008 13:14hide comment
Yeah, you're right Kristy. He has spent his entire carear at Carlton and has a loyalty to them no doubt. He has publicly said that Carlton is the club he wants to be at but the contract is the one little hickup that makes hsi future less certain. Fev wants a 5 year contract and wants that security incase he stuffs up again that he's not completely finished. If it is a 5 year deal even if the club says goodbye he still has that long contract in place. It is the long term contract even more so in Fev's case as well as the money. Carlton have reason to be reluctant to sign as clearly he isn't the most responsible player in the way he conducts himself off the field which is the one thing that is holding this deal back. The facts are the is probably the best full forward in the AFL and can get the big hauls. Sydney will further their push for him as they clearly don't look like they have any interest in Hall. Also I heard that Sydney are considering trading 2003 Brownlow Medalist Adam Goodes for him. They might also unload Barry Hall which wouldn't surprise many and this would leave Carlton looking good with the addition of a 3 time All Australian and a Browlow Medalist to go with their young fleet of 1st round draft picks they have accrewed over the past 3-4 seasons. He is probably about 50/50 to stay on, if things don't work out I'm sure Sydney will give him an offer which I don't expect he will refuse. Sydney are probably with Adelaide the 2 best defencive teams and clearly have a strong midfield so they would love to have the current 2nd placed player on the goal kicking front to make their forward line look dangerous and make a final push for a flag before all the oldies call it a day. All that said it would be a dream of many players to play their carrear with the 1 team. (Michael Voss and James Hird are 2 to have lived this dream)
Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 12 Jul 2008 16:21,
Last Reply: 13 Jul 2008 11:37
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Don't mix up good sportsmanship with disloyalty. There are plenty of players who actually respect other players and teams, that's not disloyalty, just good sportsmanship. Hird and Archer swapped guernseys after a game last year, not because they were disloyal, but because of mutual respect. Don't get the two confused. Having said that I would say, no, Carlton would not be better off letting go of Fevola, he's showed some maturity the past couple of weeks which is really encouraging. Granted he wasn't playing at his best last night, but that's no reason to get rid of him.
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 12 Jul 2008 19:41,
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Totally different scenario with Hird and Archer, they were both playing in their last year of footy. Fev is still yet to sign on with the Blues although he was on a radio interview this morning saying he really wants to stay. At least he has gone public now about his feelings towards the club which is really good. I dont really want to discredit his sportsmanship, I just think he should have toned down his displays of affection towards his mates from the oposition. To me it just looked really out of place last night, theres a time and a place if you know what I mean. If he's such good mates with these guys surely he could catch up with them for a bonding session later on after the game . It doesn't have to be in front of his whole team and heaps of supporters.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 13 Jul 2008 0:25,
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I understand you about it seeming a bit out of place, and to be honest with you I actually didn't see right up to the end of the game so I can't really pass judgment (and I suppose ultimately nobody can know except Fevola what his motivation for his behavior was). And you're right in that he could have caught up afterwards if he wanted to, but I just feel that one of the problems with football today is the animosity that exists between clubs. Don't get me wrong, a bi of rivalry and competitiveness is healthy for the game, but I think there's a problem when the players can't celebrate stellar performances from other players, regardless of their team. I imagine that most players would get along pretty well, with only a couple really disliking each other, and they shouldn't have to tone it down to keep supporters happy. One of my pet peeves is really one-eyed support for a club. I'm a keen Essendon fan, but I'll still clap skillful play if I see it (even against us), I imagine that many players feel the same way. As I said, I didn't see the incident, but if he did it to publicly recognise the efforts and abilities of the opposition players I think it's an encouraging sign, that kind of attitude is good for the game.
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 13 Jul 2008 11:37hide comment
That is all fair enough, but to outline the real reason why I personally think it was out of place is because his own captain who was walking off the ground right near Fev when he was "congratulating his mates for their stellar performances" deserves to have been ignored by Fev while he takes part in his displays of good sportsmanship? Judd pretty much singlehandedly got the Blues back to within a kick of the lead in the first 10 mins of the last qtr. OK so he may not have kicked the goals but 5 clearances in 10 mins deserves recognition, I think anyway. I too am very turned off by blatant one eyed support for a club and I also am a vey keen bulldogs supporter and I do try to remain as objective as possible because in the end I just love the game, I love team sports in general and understand that there is no I in team and personally it wouldn't matter if my best mate had just beat me in the grand final, in front of my team and supporters I would keep my "displays of good sportsmanship" to just that Hand shake, pat on the back a few words of encouragement, why is that not enough? Because I'd bet my left butt cheek that if the Blues had of won you would've seen a totally different Fev coming off the ground and I doubt vey much Milne would've been walking off the ground arm in arm with Fev.
Mal from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 13 Jul 2008 9:12,
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Don't take this as a racist comment, but all the aboriginal boys show affection to their mates after the game and no one cares. However I don't think it looked good, but with Fev you never no what his gunna do which is what makes him exciting. Unlike other bland robot players. I'd love to see him play a full 4 quarter game he'll kick 15 one day
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Linda from Perth (Eagles supporter), 13 Jul 2008 9:21hide comment
Alot of players do that after games.....maybe not to that degree, but still, it shows respect not disloyalty. I would prefer that they did that rather than carry on with the animosity they (rightly) show during the game.
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 12 Jul 2008 18:31hide comment
fev never plays good against maxy. has worn him like a glove for the past 11 games. onli reason he kicked 3 goals were because of 2 bs frees. anywayz. no i dont think carlton would be better without fev. wat happened to him staying of the piss?
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