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Dale Thomas is highly over rated
How good was it seeing him run through the half forward line and into fifty, with plenty of time to either kick a goal or pass it off. Then he got smashed in a tackle, holding the ball. Gave away a 50 metre penalty and the doggies score! The kid is over rated.
By Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 22 Jun 2008 19:28
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Brad from Gold Coast (Magpies supporter), 20 Jul 2008 23:42hide comment
Nice comment Mark, ha i dont have to say anything!!!
Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 16:01,
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People think Daisy is over-rated because they see him do some freaky things in a game and come to expect him to do that all the time. They don't notice him unless he does. In his first two seasons he played mainly as a forward with the odd run in the middle and has averaged over 15 possessions a game in that time, with only 2 games in which he got less than 10 possessions. As far as people saying he's an 'outside' player, he has averaged over 34% contested possessions a game last year - figures that are comparable or better than Gary Ablett - 35%, Bartel - 30%, Selwood - 31%, Gibbs - 28%, Murphy - 33%, Pendlebury - 35%, Dane Swan - 33%, Scott West - 36%, Daniel Cross - 33% and Daniel Kerr - 36%. Figure don't lie, or are these players over-rated too???
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 19:30,
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how many contested disposals has pansy had this season?
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 19:58,
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Hey Matt you support the most overrated team in the league... Honestly turn it down...
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 20:00,
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do i really? well thats ur opinion so stick to it(Y) now how many contested possesions has pansy had this season?
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 20:13,
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Contested posessions 88 this year uncontested this year 138 and your point with that question would be???
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 20:20,
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was just wondering how far behind in the contested disposals he is compared to a few of the players marks listed. he is 21 behind joel selwood, who is ranked 25th atm, who is 50 behind judd whose the highest ranked player with 159, not bad for someone whose battling with injuries ey.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 19 Jul 2008 22:30,
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Congratulations, i never picked it... Good win, good game... :-) Wish my team won... lol... :-(
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 19 Jul 2008 23:04,
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haha ta. i wasnt expecting it. not at half time. i tipped it but onli threww loyalty. u losing helps the saints in a way  . was a good game. i love it wen a cocky fan bags u at half time tellion u to go home.... and then at the end of the game have a go at u for winning. thatll learn her.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 19 Jul 2008 23:39,
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I hate when fans even do that at the end, it is the most unsportsman thing you can do... It drives me mad i wanna curl up in a ball, especially when your getting flogged and we have all experienced that... My worst experience was the collingwood vs hawks game, they were so rude and waving the whole hawks members section i honestly thought if this is where our game is going in 10 years will have fences between us... They were the most feral so far this year... Again well done... :-)
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 10:34,
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haha hawks fans are bad, geelong fans are aswell. i think its the arrogance of thinking that they cant lose and there teams **** dont stink. both urs and my team have given there fans a reality check this seasion ;-)
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 20 Jul 2008 15:01,
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LOL... But Geelong has the rite to be arrogant they are by far the greatest, They looked about 10 ladder positions on top of the bulldogs yesterday... As for the hawks i dont get where there arrogance comes from its not like they have won a flag recently, and i still think they wont this year, Geelong by a mile will win it... And true we did give em both a reality i wish we coul do it against the hawks, im still picturing the man sitting behind me clapping in my ears the whole game and his ugly mullet... God he had me fuming at him... We were at it the whole game... lol... Shame he walked out with a bigger smile than me... :-)
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 16:08,
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haha, i reackon if stkilda play like they did in the 3rd quarter against geelong we could get close. big if. massive.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 20 Jul 2008 22:11hide comment
You just never know, our game footy is a very strange game and extremely unpredictable... :-)
Guy (Magpies supporter), 19 Jul 2008 23:21,
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Matt, Extremely lucky tonight hey. How much did the Saints pay the umpires?? Bloody shocking decisions both ways but St Kilda benefited the most. By the way how stupid are St Kilda supporters??? Seriously they need to learn the rules.
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 10:25,
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ahahahaha r u serious. the onli rason the hawks were up at half time, as bad as stkilda played, was because of some soft frees in there forward line in there favour. sure we got some interesting decisions our way but i dont think they were as damaging or had as much influence on the match as the ones paid to the hawks. for example, stkilda start to fite there way back into it in the 3rd quarter, kick 2 in a row an outta no-where roughhead gets a free in the goalsquare, sure he was being held a little bit, but i dont think that any of the frees stkilda had were much softer then that!. and as for the saints supporters mate, were happy 2day  . def not a chance in the finals yet, but keep riting us off mate, keep riting us off.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 20 Jul 2008 18:01,
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Matt, The free to Roughead you mentioned was clearly there. No the Hawks were up at half time because St Kilda played probably the worst half of football I have ever seen. The only reason they won is because Hawthorn didn't capitalise on the **** they served up.
By the way mate, on reflection I loved the environment the Saints supporters created. Telstra Dome is your home and the supporters made it very intimidating and full credit to you as you helped your team win. Just a pity they don't know the rules.
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 19:37hide comment
how do we not no the rules? because we went nuts everytime we laid a tackle through sheer excitment that we may acctually knock of a team taht had dominated us in the first half. a genuine premiership threat. anywayz, roughheads was there, buddys wernt. some of the weakest display of umpiring and i think wen we got the interchange infringment that just showed how bad it was. took them a good 90 seconds to figure out wat was going on. ive never heard us stkilda fans as supportive and loud since 2004 wen we won 10 or so on the trot. good to have that intimidating feel back. just like collingwood supporters. worst experince at the footy is sitting next to the collingwood "army" at telstra dome. tarrant or someone took a mark in the square. sooo loud.
Alisha (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 11:30,
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Ummm Guy! What are you talking about mate??? I thinking calling our supporters was uncalled for. For one I'm a supporter and yeah I was watching the game last night with my other half who is a Tiger supporter and he agreed that the umps were up to there usual tactics which in the end it seemed to have evened out. More importantly we won the game convincingly at the end.
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 20 Jul 2008 17:43hide comment
Alisha, Sorry if any offence taken. I just couldn't believe the moran supporters sitting near us. I've never heard such stupid things being yelled out about decisions that were correct.
The saints did win convincingly. I said to my partner a Hawks supporter at half time that if the Saints improve 5% they would win as Hawthorn was playing **** and should have been 10+ goals at half time such was the crap St Kilda was playing. To their credit they improved and am now in a position to finish Top 4. Who would thought a month ago?
As for Riewoldt , well I was under the impression he was up there as the most over rated player in the comp having never seen him play a decent game. I now stand corrected, he was amazing and as a St Kilda supporter like yourself I would have been laughing with the Buddy talk. Riewoldt has something that Buddy doesn't, he likes teamwork.
Even with the umps influence Saints deserved the win....
Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 19 Jul 2008 23:44,
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Hey Matt, I love your team at the moment! That win secured us for the week. How good is it to go home with a win after a comeback like that? And Hughton absolutely rocks, Fev last week, Buddy this week, damn fine effort. And Reiwoldt without the bandages dersrved every bit of that BOG medal. Great to see that the tactics by Lyon have paid off for the club, Milne and Del have really stepped up. Maybe Eade might take a leaf this week. We have players at Willi that deserve a run.
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 10:29,
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haha. was a nice win, i reackon pretty much everyone in the stadium rote us off at half time, including me. haha we were playing so bad. maxy is one of the most under rated players in the game haha.
and jason blake, my god.... i dont think we will ever see him play a quarter again like he did in the 3rd. him n reiwoldt lifted the team. as for lyon, jurys still out for me. the one thing i will give to him is he has made our forwards put a lot more pressure on the ball carrier. i hope the doggies do well this season, there my second fave team with the kangas. was dissapointing how they faded out in the second half yesterday but im sure they will bounce back.
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 20 Jul 2008 10:40,
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Dont you think that Del and milne have been playing a lot better since being dropped for a week? I think they have come back into the side hungrier than ever in the last couple of weeks. I think it was a risky move but you cant deny that it has paid off.
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 10:46,
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def, i was suprised dal hadnt been dropped a few weeks earlier thoguh, he just looked like he wasnt interested. i thought he mite of dropped kozi aswell for a few weeks to get some confidence up. good thing he didnt ey. haha and i still cant belive jason blake... u no ur unlucky wen he slots 3 in one quarter haha. awesome game though. for both my team and urz i missed the end of the doggies game last nite coz we had to leave early to get some good seats, wat happened with johnnos ankle?
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 20 Jul 2008 11:10,
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Oh Absolutely, Kosi has been on fire it's been a bit like a ripple effect and the whole team seems to just value their position that little bit more. Oh yeah I loved being at skilled stadium amongst a whole 55 WB supporters getting torn a new ring I found it pleasant and satisfying... Johnno rolled his ankle he should be fine for next week, although I wish rocket would just rest him for a few weeks leading into the finals, he has had niggles since round 2 and been really quite inconsistent this year. And as I said earlier theres players at willi trying to bust down the selection door and just not getting a chance for a game, Street being the main one he is having the season of his career I think he deserves at least one game.
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 20 Jul 2008 12:22hide comment
yeah im suprised street hasnt been getting a game but big will has been good. the doggies need that tall target up forward imo. just provides a contest. and yeah, apart from round 1 johnno hasnt been his best i dont think. but giving him a rest could disrupt the team. u ahvent experienced arrogance at the footy till uve sat near the old geelong bats
Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 20:29,
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Thats a fair point but joel selwood and dale thomas are 2 different players and play on 2 different teams... I mean you could compare players all night and all day but too call Dale Thomas overrated is a joke... His still young and is very exciting too watch... You should just worry about your side and where there going cause id be asking for a refund the list they have they should be top 4...
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 20:43,
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thats not wat i meant wen i said selwood was ranked 25th n is 21 ahead. i meant that dale thomas isnt really that high on the contested disposals overall. mark comparing him with players of bartels calibre is stupid. our side should be top 4. the way we are playing now i think we could give hawthorn a fright on the weekend, but i dont think we will win. footballs all about confidence, the more confident u are, the better ur team plays.
arrogance plays a part to. look at buddy. hes as arrogant as they come.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 20:55,
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Buddy is in a league of his own and is still so young, he will be one of the best forwards we will see... I know thats a big call but from what his showing the signs are all his way... I know dale isnt that high in the contested posessions i went through the stats... I personally wouldnt say id compare dale to bartel, but then to compare bartel to alot of players you couldnt... The whole of geelong are in a league of there own, put any standard player in that team and they'd look flash too because geelong share the ball and would have to be the closest teams i have ever seen... Honestly i feel for Saints supporters and if i were a member id be fuming only because of the leadership in that club is not thinking about the members there thinking about there own pockets... They never should have gotten rid of your last coach Grant Thomas, and whilst you guys have Ross Lyon on board you wont go anywhere... Its sad because the list you guys have should have gone so much further than where they are, and unfortunatelty for you guys it may take ages to build another team like you have now... :-)
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 19 Jul 2008 23:24,
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Rebecca, Have to disagree. Grant Thomas was never going to be a premiership coach. They held on to him for 2 seasons too long and it cost the Saints a flag. The way of getting rid of him was wrong but thats St Kilda.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 19 Jul 2008 23:41hide comment
There biggest mistake was malcolm blight and second was grant thomas i think they should have given him more time, though have to admit its not like iv watchd over them with a fine comb... Anways hopefully our team can pick ourselves up and have a wn next week... :-)
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 21:06,
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lol, stkilda have had board problems for a long time. stkilda have been stuffed ever since they sacked stan alves.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 21:15,
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Well hopefully the board pull there fingers out and start thinking about the supporters as they are the backbone of every club... Good luck with it all... Nice chatting tonight will speak soon... :-) Go Pies...
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 17 Jul 2008 21:47hide comment
haha yeah. i hope the pies get up this week. makes our spot safer in the 8. although them losing helps us in a way 2
Mathew from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 19 Jul 2008 22:58hide comment
Figures do lie .. Joel Bowdens 'figures' some games would make him one of the best players in the AFL when all he does is get cheap kicks in the backline. You cant be a stat watcher .. just watching the game is the only way to see if a player is overated or good
Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 19:18,
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That's 34% of around 15 possessions though, keep in mind that players like Gary Ablett and James Bartel see FAR more of the ball than Thomas (averaging 26.7 and 27.5 disposals respectively in 2007); he's got absolutely nothing on either of those two and its stupid to suggest that because a percentage based figure is better than another that they are of the same caliber. That's like suggesting that a player that has kicked one goal from one kick in their career is the greatest goalkicker in the game because they have never missed a shot at goal.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 16:47,
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Please re-read my post before accusing me of making ridiculous comparisons. I posted contested possession figures to defend the assertion from so many people that Daisy is an 'outside player'. That's saying that he's a reciever and never earns his possessions, which is clearly wrong. I used players like Ablett's figures to show that like Daisy, he and the other players mentioned also get contested possessions at a rate of 1 in 3. Nowhere did I even infer that Daisy is of the same calibre as Ablett as a player. That would be ridiculous. I'm simply illustrating at what rate he gets the contested ball compared with some of the champions of the game. "... its stupid to suggest that because a percentage based figure is better than another that they are of the same caliber". It's also stupid to read things into a comment that simply aren't there.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 17 Jul 2008 17:32,
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Fair enough comment, but you did say that "Figure don't lie, or are these players over-rated too???" Suggesting that a percentage based figure is an accurate way to measure the quality of a player. I wouldn't exactly call that reading into anything, you were pretty damn explicit about the fact that you thought that because they had a similar percentage based stat that they should all receive the same kind of public opinion.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jul 2008 18:45,
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Nowhere in my post did I compare Daisy to the players I listed in any way other than the contested possession percentages. "As far as people saying he's an 'outside' player, he has averaged over 34% contested possessions a game last year - figures that are comparable or better than..." The key words are "FIGURES that are comparable". I used the players whose figures I compared because no-one could say that they are over-rated or "outside" players and therefore argue that I haven't made a fair comparison. They should all recieve the same kind of public opinion on WHETHER THEY ARE "OUTSIDE PLAYERS" based on their comparable contested possession rates. Can I be anymore 'damn explicit' about that??
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 17 Jul 2008 19:15,
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You made it a direct comparison by including that ultimatum at the end, "Figure don't lie, or are these players over-rated too???". This kind of thing is a bloody stupid thing to say, it basically tells people that they can agree with you or concede that the players who you listed are overrated. I apologise if you've had a foreign education or something and I've grossly misinterpreted you, but seriously, how can you say that aren't comparing the players after making a statement like that. Those players that you listed aren't judged as not being overrated based on that single stat alone, and so to ask that question at the end basically invites us to compare the entireties of their game, which is fine, thats how players should be compared. But to ask it with that ultimatum is just ridiculous.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 11:44,
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Here, let me make this easy for you: "Figures don't lie, or are these players over-rated too (in terms of the percentage of contested possessions)." Happy now? I would have thought the bracketed phrase was unnecessary considering my whole argument was based on percentage of contested possessions, but you obviously have a comprehension problem despite English being your native language. I wouldn't be making allusions to other peoples education if I were you, judging from your grammar and spelling. Back up. Good luck with the tigers this week. I hope you destroy them, although losing Lovett and McVeigh will make it a bit harder.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 18 Jul 2008 12:06,
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Just out of interest, where are these aforementioned spelling errors? But to address your post, a player isn't rated purely on the one statistic; I really doubt that anyone could do so, you would have been better using a different term. Also, I'm sorry if I offended you, I'm usually a bit irate by the end of a long day at Uni and tend to get frustrated too quickly.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 13:27,
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Cheers Nicholas. I appreciate the apology, and offer you the same after having a go at your grammar and spelling. I too was frustrated and reacted to your crack about a foreign education (I'm a born and bred Australian whose only foreign education is what I've learnt from travelling o/s). After re-reading your posts I came to realise that you are one of the few people on here who is able to construct readable sentences and have a good grasp of language skills. Regarding my post, I think we are arguing over semantics. The overall ability of a player can not be judged from one statistic. I agree. However, I am not talking about Daisy's overall ability. I am merely referring to the common accusation from opposition supporters that Daisy is an "outside" player and doesn't earn enough of the ball himself. Therefore, if we take the great players in the game as a reference, we see that they earn their own ball around one third of the time. As does Daisy. Therefore the argument that he is an "outside" player is wrong. I am not and would never argue that he is a player of the same calibre as Ablett, Bartel etc (yet). He's only just turned 21, played his 50th game this year and still has alot to learn. He is a very down to earth country lad and I'm sure he will continue to improve himself so that maybe one day I will be able to argue that he is in the upper echelon of AFL players. Cheers. Btw, what are you studying at Uni?
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 18 Jul 2008 13:39,
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You're probably right about the semantics, and thanks for all the clarification. You are right that he's not an outside player, you'd have to be mad to argue otherwise. And I'm currently studying biomedicine, or at least I am at the moment. I'm looking at taking an offer I got for law, but it'd mean moving interstate so I'm a bit hesitant.
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Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 18 Jul 2008 13:51hide comment
I'm glad we're finally on the same page. Good luck with the Biomed. My long time girlfriend studied medicine and is now in her third year out at the RCH and loving it. Her brother is a couple of weeks away from finishing his Law degree. He is doing it at Melbourne Uni. It's an intense shortened degree that you can complete in two years!! However it is a paid degree and costs a small fortune to do, but is worth it if you can afford it as it will get you into the work force a year earlier allowing you to recoup that extra money before you could otherwise repay a 3 year degree. Check it out.
Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:17,
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Hahahaha that's what a percentage is calculated for. total possessions are irrelevant in terms of contested ball.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:27,
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Do the math, if Thomas averages 15 possessions with 34% being contested thats 5.1 contested possessions on average per game. Ablett's 2007 season works out to just under 9.35 per game. If you want another percentage how about this: Dale Thomas gets less than 58% of the contested possessions that Ablett does. Do you really think that total possessions are irrelevant when you're looking at a percentage of those total possessions? Oh, and can someone do a quick check of my maths? It's been a long day at Uni so I might have screwed up somewhere. Cheers.
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:33,
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no no. just cause ablett wins more of the ball, it doesnt mean he works harder to get it. if Thomas had the same amount of posessions u realise he would have the same number of contested ones right?
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:41,
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If Thomas were of the same caliber as Ablett and if he could win the same amount of the ball then yes, assuming he maintained that percentage he would get a similar number of contested possession. The key word here of course being "if". Thomas doesn't get the same number of possessions, and therefore he doesn't amass the same number of contested ones which is why it's stupid to say that because the proportion of his contested possessions is similar to Ablett's that he's of a similar caliber.
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:46,
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I never said he was, i don't think any player is up to that calibre yet.
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 15 Jul 2008 20:54,
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I never suggested that you did say that. You did suggest that I was wrong about saying that percentages were not the best way to compare talent (unless I misinterpreted you saying "Hahahaha that's what a percentage is calculated for. total possessions are irrelevant in terms of contested ball."). I've just been trying to show you that total possessions are definitely relevant, I made the point about them not being of the same caliber because the post that I originally replied to inferred that because their percentages of contested possessions were similar they were of the same level of talent.
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 19 Jul 2008 11:29hide comment
another big game from daisy last night! lol! over rated.
Angela from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 15 Jul 2008 18:01hide comment
No way and I barrak for another team and hate the maggies, but this kid has talent and he is young and still learning, dont you watch the games the best two marks I have seen this year. Go Dale I'm one of your supporters.. I think you will go far...
Adrian from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 12 Jul 2008 12:05,
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I dont think hes gonna be a top 10 player in the league inless he can learn how to get 20+ possetion games alot more often. Hes exciting and he has amazing talent but hes not really a midfielder as he dosnt really put his head over the ball and get it himslef. He should learn ffrom Gary Ablett. Abletts flashy and talented but he also puts his head over the ball and gets 20+ touches every game. Dasiy can do that if hr works hard.
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Christopher from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 12 Jul 2008 19:51,
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Currently Thomas is more of an impact player somewhat like what Adam Cooney of the western bull dogs was. He has a simular style of player to Gary Ablett and at a simular age probably of a simular level of play. He has the potential and it is unfair not from you but from others after him being in the system for such a short amount of time to be so highly over rated. Also I am replying to you as I have seen Bryce Gibbs who is supposidly over rated he is a star of the future and will certainly make it up to Chris Judd status if not higher. He is well coached and his specialist coaching which he is recieving is working wonders and I can only see improvement in him. I know you being Carlton are clearly the enemy of COllingwood but recognition is needed where due. Also was one of the high ball winners last night for you. If you do dream team or anything like that he is a worthwhile investment cos he won't take a backwards step. He in my view will be the next "great player" also Tom Hawkins of Geelong will be the next "Great forward" he came to Geelong as a 105kg giant with muscle everywhere. He has shed some weight and is now adding speed and agility. He will be a Jonathan Brown while Gibbs turns into a Chris Judd.
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Adrian from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 13 Jul 2008 18:11hide comment
I dont feel Thomas is over rated i feel that there is to much hype over him. Pendelbry is the type of player that can change the course of a game on him own ability, thomas needs to be given the ball but when he gets it he can change to course of a game. Like Ablett did he learnt how to get the ball himslef and when added to his freakish talents he became a superstar. thomas can become that player but currently he isnt that player. Hes regarded as a star because he has impact but i rate Pendelbry as a step about him.
Christopher from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 12 Jul 2008 19:44hide comment
is that all you got? Did you see him last week? He only got 15 disposals but was well and truely the match winner getting 3 of collingwoods first 4 goals and taking 2 hangers. He for a small guy provided a great target up forward and could be used as a regular midfielder as he has a great aerobic capacity. He has incredible speed, a great kick in the wet as one commontator once said the best weather player in the AFL. And a very good kick at goal. Has enomous potential and dispite often being overhyped by collingwood supporters I would have to say that by everyone that isn't collingwood is very much underrated.
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Samantha from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 12 Jul 2008 9:51hide comment
How come all the talk is always about Dale Thomas being overated. People just say that because he has confidence in himself and he plays for collingwood!!! I think it is great to see and yes he does makes mistakes but so do most players. Give the young kid a chance.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 11 Jul 2008 23:40hide comment
What a joke. If an under 23 All Australian team was announced tomorrow Dale Thomas would be in it. Simple and ring Triple M or SEN and get "expert" opinions on this issue. So how can he be over rated???? Some in this forum have highlighted some points but guess what morans, his still learning the game and like most of his age still has to iron em out. So maybe look at the REAL picture and stop being part of the NUFF NUFF squad.
Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 25 Jun 2008 22:11,
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Dale thomas, is not over rated, his still a kid give him time to develop... Ill love that he has heart and that he tries every week... Give him 2 years to develop mentally i think his brilliant and i love watching our little dale... Go Pies...
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 5 Jul 2008 18:30hide comment
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Linda from Perth (Eagles supporter), 24 Jun 2008 8:35,
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Dale Thomas is a GREAT player......must admit I did get a giggle out of that little passage of play  Regardless - he is great, and would look even better wearing Blue and Gold!
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 24 Jun 2008 17:25,
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GO Boydy. I do love Daisy though, and he'd look heaps better in red white and Blue!
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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 24 Jun 2008 17:34,
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Boyd is a gun player. rated him for a few years now. Not sure how he goes under the radar. I guess he is similar to Tyson Edwards in that regards. Daisy did the wrong thing. Hopefully this is the situation which will turn him around and do the right things.
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Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 24 Jun 2008 17:46hide comment
Hope so, cos he's great to watch when he's on fire, and we all have to remember that he is still YOUNG as, all young players can be inconsistent, he's only going to get better, provided he remains relatively injury free. You guys were great though when Johnno kicked to Aker in the goal square, well done to Ben Johnson on Aker, he was impressive. Boyds having his best season to date, gunned it in his hundreth and I think the critics are beginnig to see his worth.
Terry from Kerang (Bombers supporter), 23 Jun 2008 13:07,
Last Reply: 24 Jun 2008 16:16
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overated? yeah probably a bit. would he look good on essendons half forward line? yeah i'd say he probably would. i'd have him b4 didak any day
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 24 Jun 2008 16:16hide comment
Never. I'd have a half-fit Didak over Dale Thomas. Didak, like Thomas and Davis, does flashy, ridiculously skilful things, but what he does is intelligent and for the team's benefit - something which cannot be said about the other two. Put it this way: I still think the jury is out regarding the Nick Stevens vs Alan Didak non-trade. But if you asked me whether I'd trade Dale Thomas for Nick Stevens, the answer would be yes in a heartbeat.
Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 24 Jun 2008 0:23hide comment
A man meets a friend and sees that his friends car is a total write off. It is covered with leaves and sticks, grass, dirt and blood. He asks his friend "What happened to your car?" His friend replies " I ran over Dale Thomas." "OK," says the man, "that would explain the blood, but what about all the sticks and leaves and grass." His friend replies " Well he tried to escape through the park."
Oliver from Traralgon (Lions supporter), 23 Jun 2008 12:13,
Last Reply: 23 Jun 2008 12:21
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Spot on there... I just can't understand why he is always put up there as one of the best players in the comp. He is light years away from being as good as Ablett
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 23 Jun 2008 12:21hide comment
i would say that he will never be as good as Ablett. Ablett is a freak!
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 22 Jun 2008 20:34,
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did the wrong thing no doubt steve. at the end of the day the result aint his fault though. r shaw had 4 chance son goal he should have converted, lockyer had a few as well. Rocca should not have played injured as well. Lose 10 pts is a great effort considering who was out for us, dogs near full strength on their home field as well. well done pies
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 23 Jun 2008 10:02,
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He just doesn't do the team things... must be very frustrating to watch as a supporter.
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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 23 Jun 2008 10:34,
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mate it is, i mean its easy for me to bag him when he stuffs up but then when he pulls it off we all love him. He just needs to learn that in those situations he needs to do the basic things. was a massive turnover.
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 23 Jun 2008 10:43,
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it was huge in the context of the game... would have given you guys a huge momentum if he either kicked the goal or passed it off. Pity he failed to do either! Then the rebound goal to the doggies. We had a similar thing happen with Bryce Gibbs in our game... we finally hit the lead and next play he ran inside 50 along the boundary. Instead of passing to Fev (which we already do too often) who had out positioned Fletcher, Gibbs had a shot and missed. Bombers rebounded and then kicked the next 5 straight... game over.
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 23 Jun 2008 11:19,
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yeh but you don't see a post about how overrated Bryce Gibbs is. the only people rating Dale thomas at the moment is everyone saying how overrated he is. you guys sucked as well, let's not forget that, nor shall we post a forum about how much you guys sucked.
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 23 Jun 2008 12:05hide comment
we did suck, and missed our chances... thats footy!
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