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IS Collingwood the most over-rated team in the competition...or is Carlton that good?
Collingwood ....choked in 2007 finals series....and only winning one game more than Carlton(finished 15th in 2007) at the half way point of the 2008 season....are very much over- rated....
By Greg from Perth (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 3:38
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Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 11 Jul 2008 23:23hide comment
carlton arnt that good.
Dominic from Blackheath (Cats supporter), 11 Jul 2008 11:29hide comment
i don't know really what to say on this one but i know the pies and the blues have always been big threats to each other. they should have this game playing on anzac day
Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 8:45, Last Reply: 11 Jul 2008 10:39 hide comment
we definitely have something over the mag'gots... and their coach is sh'ithouse, not malthouse!
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Andrea from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 16 Jun 2008 22:37, Last Reply: 11 Jul 2008 10:39 hide comment
Steve, You do have something over the Magpies. Your foul, and stupid language, which do nothing to convince anyone that you are a true follower of football, just a foul-mouthed yobbo more interested in seeking revenge on your arch rival. How did you become so bitter? In the end you will not receive any satisfaction other than to out verbalise an opposition supporter. You are just ignorant and uninformed to speak of Malthouse so disrespectfully and to dismiss Collingwood so cheaply. Get a real fooball supporter's life and follow the game like Kristy. THE GAME! Get it?
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 22:46, Last Reply: 11 Jul 2008 10:39 hide comment
Hey fool! did you listen to triple M after the game? there were a hell of a lot of magpies supporter getting on there bagging your coach! we have now beaten you twice this year and are only one win behind on the ladder. the only team you have beaten inside the 8 this year is Geelong... your team is extremely over rated and maybe when they consistently beat top sides they will gain some respect. you have the easiest draw in the league year after year yet you still can't win a flag. were you one of those pathetic magpies supporters that left ten minutes into the last quarter? pathetic!
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Brendan from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jun 2008 6:40, Last Reply: 11 Jul 2008 10:39 hide comment
Still no comment in the thread I posted about the blues win? You gutless sniper. Typical weasel carlton supporter. Full of piss and wind!
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 25 Jun 2008 22:18, Last Reply: 11 Jul 2008 10:39 hide comment
Hey brendan, you will be banging your head with these guys... (not naming anyone) lol...
They support carlton and constantly repeat themselves over and over its all about fev and how they beat us twice oh and that's rite apparently all collingwood supporters have no teeth, i mean there jokes are old and pointless... oh well they make kindy kids look extra intelligent... lol...

Go Pies...

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Greg from Perth (Blues supporter), 11 Jul 2008 4:25, Last Reply: 11 Jul 2008 10:39 hide comment
No YOU make Kindy kids look intelligent....just not those that go to kindy in Collingwood!!

How's your mullet going?

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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 11 Jul 2008 10:39hide comment
Gees your mullet comments, there just so original... Tell me do you think of them on your own or do you get your kids to help you with that??? lol...

Also if i make kindy look intelligent then you make new borns looks extra Intelligent... Your a twit Gregroach, and your boring...

p.s. Hows your big head going? You found a mask yet.. lol... :-)

Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 25 Jun 2008 22:21hide comment
You got too be joking, typical carlton supporter...

Quick question where were the 12,000 members missing from the fremantle vs carlton game...
I guess that makes supporters even more pathetic at least rock up to the games...

Greg from Perth (Blues supporter), 20 Jun 2008 19:09, Last Reply: 25 Jun 2008 22:14 hide comment
Malthouse...hahahaha ......14 years and NOTHING, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA.
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Rebecca from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 25 Jun 2008 22:14hide comment
And what did dennis pagan give you guys... Yep nothing but heartache... think before you speak gregoryyyyyyyyyy...
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 21 Jun 2008 11:51hide comment
id like malthouse to coach stkilda.
Joe from Pakenham (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 22:41, Last Reply: 17 Jun 2008 8:39 hide comment
whats a fooball?
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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 17 Jun 2008 8:39hide comment
hahaha
Andrew from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 16 Jun 2008 18:53, Last Reply: 30 Jun 2008 10:04 hide comment
ey steve ur calling malthouse **** ey okay cool so he has coach 500 plus games being involved in 750 games won 2 premiships been in 4 grand finals has a win-loss ratio of just under 65% and u call him **** get ur facts straight before u start commenting on other coaches i suppose u think The rat is a better coach even though he hasnt even got a 50% win ratio hahahahahahah start talking about how good a coach is when u have the facts to back it up ******
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Robert from Hastings (Blues supporter), 22 Jun 2008 18:12, Last Reply: 30 Jun 2008 10:04 hide comment
I know you Collingwood supporters aren't good with your math (except for when you count how many teeth you have left, because its usually under 5) So i'll say its much easier to have a 65% win ratio in 750 games than it is to have a 50% win ratio in 13, which until the loss to essendon today, Ratten did have a 50% win ratio, you complete fu'cking ******, so who needs to get there facts straight?

And a good coach doesn't complain about the umpires when they lose, they actually admit where they were at fault.

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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 30 Jun 2008 10:04hide comment
i swear that Ratten lost pretty much all his games at the end of last season. They still count onto his games coached record.
50%? bahahahahahaha
M Musa (Blues supporter), 30 Jun 2008 2:28hide comment
Haha.. one of the best replies here so far... Robert is true on all counts!!

Go the Blues!!

Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 22:47, Last Reply: 20 Jun 2008 17:42 hide comment
I am not the only one speaking that way about malthouse... there are plenty of magpies supporters calling for him to be replaced... sooner the better.

Have a look at the comments of your own Tony Shaw...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23876642-23211,00.html

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Jared (Magpies supporter), 20 Jun 2008 17:42hide comment
what ever... i wish tony shaw would shut his mouth...malthouse is the best thing ever too come to collingwood with the players he has had he has done a great job.
Mark from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 20 Jun 2008 14:27, Last Reply: 20 Jun 2008 17:38 hide comment
What, so now you're relying on the same 'deadbeat' Collingwood fans you're so keen on lambasting, to support your opinion of Malthouse?? Your legs must be getting tired from all this jumping on and off. You praise a collingwood supporter for being 'level-headed' and then make a ridiculous comment like the Malthouse one! Malthouse and the rest of the Collingwood coaching staff have been magnificent in developing the young talent at the club and has taken a team bereft of any real superstars to the cusp of a grand final. Get off this one Steve - it's a lost cause.
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Jared (Magpies supporter), 20 Jun 2008 17:38hide comment
i agree
Brendan from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 17 Jun 2008 6:37hide comment
Back pedaler!
Guy (Magpies supporter), 30 Jun 2008 14:30, Last Reply: 1 Jul 2008 23:31 hide comment
Umm Collingwood "choked in 07" emotional comment to attack another you envy.
When teams play Collingwood it is treated as a finals game, it's the ultimate test in front of a big crowd, why do think the other clubs want to play us twice??? With this means not as many wins as the season goes on.
A team that knocks off the premier by over 80 points isn't a pretender. On their day Collingwood can beat any team. With a few 50/ 50 decisions gone the Pies way instead of against the ladder would be different. Not an excuse fact! Watch the games again if you dare argue.
How is it that a central umpire can bounce a ball 20 metres towards Kangas goal and not call it back when the same umpire can call back a boundary throw in if it's bias?
Went to the Richmond v Carlton match and again shocking decisions, this year the umpires are inconsistent for periods of a game then turning the blowtorch for a qtr or so.
As a neutral supporter on saturday I couldn't believe the number of Carlton morans who don't understand the rules and get angry at the umpires for this.
Collingwood overrated well lets wait until the real football is played, yeah blues fans 'FINALS' which most of ya squad have never played.
As for people attacking Malthouse.......
Listen to his media conference after a game (his 1 after the blues game an example) he spoke about bringing out the best in any footballer on Collingwood's list. Get the best out of them you will increase the chances of getting the best football out of them. It's all about making the players good people within the community.
As for Carlton well they will cheat the salary cup and cause Essendon to miss out a chance on the premiership. Yes you have paid for this but interesting to see the support of Dick Pratt by the club after he cheated everyday Australian's of millions.
No Carlton fans shut ya gobs, you have nothing to be proud of. Your recent history is crap and you only have such a promising list because you cheated the salary cap and got the picks.
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Dylan (Blues supporter), 30 Jun 2008 14:59, Last Reply: 1 Jul 2008 23:31 hide comment
ok buddy lets go threw ur complaints also though as a side note were does it say that the free kick count has to be even sometimes one team may actually infringe more than the other. Ok so point 1. the Bounce so we play footy with an oval ball which dosent bounce straight to suggest there was bias is ludicras and the fact is that if it bounced the other way u would have been cheering it it was just one of those things and also if u were really that good didak should have put away the roos earlier in the 4th qtr but missed the open goal so u can only blame urself about that one. 2. Yes i have to aggree there are alot of peeps that go to the footy and dont understand the rules i had a bonehead sitting behind me and she was yelling interference when someone put a shepared on. But all clubs have them including urs. 3. Also although ur run home may seem easy but be careful cause ur not that secure in the 8 come the end of this round. and geelong didnt have many players with finals experience remember they didnt make the 8 in 06 and how many of ur players have played in a winning GF not many if any. 4 our recent history isnt good but how does us cheating in the salary cap get us a good list we didnt get picks for ages which is why we went down the bottom and didnt have the cattle to win games. And also coll supporters are ones to talk about talking up ur team u are just jealous we have seen more than 1 flag in the past 50yrs
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 1 Jul 2008 23:31hide comment
Dylan you make some fair points...
The bounce of the ball influenced the match end of story. Had it been in the 2 qtr it would have given a fair amount of time to correct the abnormalities of an oval ball. I don't care about our run home, I'm content at where we are at this point of the race. By cheating the salary cap and tanking games you have been able to have how many 1st round drafts picks??? I'm sure I read recently that your now ex president might get jail time for ripping off everyday Australians even the 1's not interested in the AFL.
Geelong has no players with finals experience??? Umm Geelong had a few years finals experience before a poor year that allowed them to obtain Selwood. Not Bad hey.
Am I jealous of Cartlon??? No not at all. History is history and history shows Carlton are cheats.
Guy (Magpies supporter), 30 Jun 2008 14:52hide comment
Is this the same Mal who posted a comment I made about Ben Counsins??
If so quite ironic as it was suggested I make sense and your topic just wanted to attack a club that over it's history hasn't had the success of yours but at least we don't cheat like Carlton.
Matt from Bonbeach (Bulldogs supporter), 23 Jun 2008 1:16, Last Reply: 30 Jun 2008 14:04 hide comment
collingwood are enormous pretenders, they lack the cattle in a big way, its a struggle to name thier best players and none are what would call A+ or A grade, possibly Lockyear a B+, this was illustrated by less than 5 collingwood players making a 40 man all australian pool last year, this is from a team who finished 3rd.

i dont know how malthouse can be blamed for anything he is working miracles down there

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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 23 Jun 2008 8:27, Last Reply: 30 Jun 2008 14:04 hide comment
Interesting perception there.... or you could say the Bulldogs beat a enourmous pretender by 10 pts who were down to 2 players on the bench for 3/4 of the match, missing leon davis, travis cloke and josh fraser. You were only mssing Westy who is a regular. Also the game was held on the Dogs home ground which suited their style more the ours.
Could it be that the doggies r a pretender?
Pies kick straight and they win, still a lot of work to do at the kennel.
If your judging a team by them amount of people who get nominated to the all australian pool then their is some real problems going on there lol
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Guy (Magpies supporter), 30 Jun 2008 14:04hide comment
Spot on Daniel not to mention the shocking free kicks. Marty Clark kicks the ball after the whistle is blown however games played under the roof at the Dome have had several players from all clubs complain it is too loud to hear the whistle. To give 50 metres as a result at the point of the game (4th Qtr) meant instead of being on the 50 arc a bulldogs player has a shot at goal and slot it. Yet when a bulldogs player runs over the boundary without trying to keep it in it's a throw in.
Seriously what a stupid question by a stupid cartlon supporter. However we have come to expect this from Carlton people as well as cheating.
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 22 Jun 2008 20:36, Last Reply: 23 Jun 2008 9:11 hide comment
i take it back, carlton arent that good. shows they get up for the collingwood games. lose to a **** side in essendon by 5 goals lol.
Imagine when Fev leaves at the end of the year!!!! oh dear
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Nick from Melbourne (Bombers supporter), 22 Jun 2008 21:28, Last Reply: 23 Jun 2008 9:11 hide comment
Calling the Essendon they played today **** is ambitious. Carlton actually played an excellent game of footy after the first quarter, there's absolutely no question about that.

I can't really see Fevola leaving at the end of the year either to be honest, my money would be on him getting resigned.

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Dylan (Blues supporter), 23 Jun 2008 9:11hide comment
Carlton did not play a good game until the last qtr for 3 qtrs we made terrible skill errors and silly decsions. We did not stick to the tempo footy game plan of rattens and we would continually kick to fev when Kruzer was open in the 50 almost every time. I am very dissapointed how the blues played except for the effort in the first half of the last qtr when we controlled the centre and kicked great inside 50s it sounds like ur just trying to pump up the bombers tyres Nick and on that performance neither team should be thinking about finals footy.
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 23 Jun 2008 8:27hide comment
no i mean over the entire season Essendon have been poor at best. Im just saying last weeks result for them now means nothing in the context of the season.
Jared (Magpies supporter), 20 Jun 2008 17:56, Last Reply: 20 Jun 2008 19:06 hide comment
look u say pies arnt any good that is fine.lets just say they are inconsistant.and when they gell 2gether they can beat any one like the cats game...but then we can play like worst side ever....i think the blues are rising again which they should with that many draft picks for being crap for so many years.with judd and fev and stevens there with kids its a good mix.i dont like the blues but i think its great for footy that there are competeive again..its good cause pies 3 big rivals have been done bottom for so long.tigers and dons hav a long way yet tho...its good blues are better they should be tho..and malthouse is the best thing that happened to the pies and with th players he has had and got he has got the most out of them.at least he coaches with a good brand of footy instead of tigers swans port freo.he makes his players attack...there no one else is out ther to coach us...keep him and as for choking last year come on fair go..to beat the swans then westcoast over there and come with in cats i think thats a unreal job from finishing outside top 4.no one were going to beat the cats last year simple as that it was there year.i think pies list is in great shape
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Greg from Perth (Blues supporter), 20 Jun 2008 19:06hide comment
Collingwood have always been "nearly" good enough...1 flag in 50 years...Collingwood is more like a bad CULT....Thats CULT with an "L"
Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 13:50, Last Reply: 18 Jun 2008 15:57 hide comment
It's worth pointing out that both Collingwood and Adelaide have beaten only one top eight team apiece - so on that basis, I'd say both are overrated. Carlton too has beaten only one top eight team (although we beat them twice) and so their record is probably also flattering. But Carlton was clearly good enough to beat a Collingwood team which has an inexperienced backline and (even though they still won the knock-outs 37-31) rather poor ruck staff.
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Dave from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 16 Jun 2008 19:54, Last Reply: 18 Jun 2008 15:57 hide comment
Fair enough mate> Though i would point out the crows could have won against top eight sides bulldogs as the crows only lost that by a few points and could have won the game if bock kicked that goal after the siren Also the lost to hawthorn the crows should have won if it wasn"t for all the mistakes they made> It was the one that got away> Experts and the like thought the crows wouldn"t make the top eight! They thought with a big turnover of players at the end of '07 that the crows would be about bottom four. The crows ARE NOT OVERRATED but are exceeding expectations with a young players in the side that are performing. The crows were in the top four but are fifth now. If the crows won those two games it would be a different story!
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Tarrant from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 18 Jun 2008 15:57hide comment
Well, I just meant on the basis of the teams they've beaten - and that statement remains true. But I agree, and I do still rate them as a flag chance.
Aaron from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 16 Jun 2008 19:45hide comment
You call the leading contested ball winners over-rated...?
All Australian backline over-rated...?
We just need a consistent forward line... But Tippet's not doin too bad for a 2m Basketballer from Qld!
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 17 Jun 2008 8:54, Last Reply: 18 Jun 2008 13:45 hide comment
i think we r overated but Carlton r a good side but not a very good side just yet but they will be.
Collingwood have only beaten 1 side in the 8 this year. I wouldnt say they choked in the 2007 finals series lol. They beat Sydney then beat WCE over in Perth and then took the premiers to within a kick of the GF. Not bad considering they finished the season out of the top 4.
Carlton would be very happy with the kids they have. Murphy is a star and players like Simpson, Bentick, Scotland dont get the wraps they deserve.
We have no hard ball get players apart from Burns and when your oldest player is that guy then u know ur in trouble. Too many recievers and too many players who want to make things look special instead of sticking the basics.
I will say this but, the Fisher free late in the 3rd was critical and change the momentum massively. Was one of the worst frees ever. Also Medhurst free against for in the back in the 4th which would have made it 1 pt the diff was a killer. Disgusting.
Credit to Carlton 54 pt turnaround. They have a bright future
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Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 18 Jun 2008 12:34, Last Reply: 18 Jun 2008 13:45 hide comment
you are seriously the most level headed pies supporter on here. well said and good luck!
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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 18 Jun 2008 13:45hide comment
yeah just sick of people saying all collingwood fans are dickheads and stuff. there are heaps of us that love our footy and team but dont carry on and act like we r believed to be like.
All good but.
Dylan (Blues supporter), 18 Jun 2008 12:29hide comment
good comment dan u actually seem to no waht ur talking about than just having a crack at people. i agree collingwood are a little ova rated but its easy to generate hype with the highest supporter base. at carlton we are happy not world beaters yet but are on our way. with regards to those free kicks sure unlucky but everyone cops those breaks from time to time i am sure we could pull out incidents from the game when we didnt get paid a kick when we should have. but wen u get done by 30pts u need a massive case to blame the umpires if it was 2 goals maybe but remember it goes both ways i am sure the pies have had a dodgy decsion go there way then won the game by a close margin thats what happens when u have grey in the game and humans making the decsion but we have to mate. bad luck maybe but u lost so cop it on the chin and come back next week.
Timuçin (Blues supporter), 17 Jun 2008 19:52hide comment
Carlton is under-rated.
Lance from George Town (Magpies supporter), 17 Jun 2008 8:53hide comment
greg you are a fu@king idiot overrated or we will play finals and you won´t so we have a chance and you don´t, enough said
Aaron from Perth (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 14:02, Last Reply: 16 Jun 2008 23:09 hide comment
On paper Collingwood are a better team. I think we ran into the Magpies at an opportunistic time. I don't think the Pies chocked we were just better on the day. Carlton have the potential to be a top 8 side this year but Collingwood will be a top 8 side. I'm just still super psyched about yesterday's win. But as Geelong said "keep a lid on it"
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Adrian from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 15:14, Last Reply: 16 Jun 2008 23:09 hide comment
I agree with you that on paper Collingwood have a better team but we match up very well against them.

They have alot of Medium and small fowards where we have alot of meduim and small defenders. Guys like Davis, Thomas, Didak and Mehdurst were stopped by Armfield, Thorton, Jamison and Grigg. Medurst was the only pie foward to win hi match up.

In the middle Colligwood have depth but no star tallent and not to many hard ball winners. Judd, Murphy and Bentick all won simply because they are stars and are hard at the ball.

and collinwoods backline cant stop a superstar like Fev. They stopped Gellong becasue the cats have alot of good (not great) players that colligwoods good backline can stop.

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Aaron from Perth (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 23:09hide comment
Absolutey. I think we were better in area where Collingwood are weak then they were strong in areas where we are weak. I still think it was a really good time to play Collingwood.
Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 16 Jun 2008 14:40hide comment
Here here
Kristy from Melbourne (Bulldogs supporter), 16 Jun 2008 17:51, Last Reply: 16 Jun 2008 20:51 hide comment
How can you say Collingwood Choked in the 2007 finals series? That prelim against Geelong is more memorable to me than any Carlton game ever.

Fair enough you hate Collingwood, we all know that, but you should give credit where it's due, you guys with all the rivalry stuff need to start paying a bit more respect to the game itself, instead of trying to prove all the time that your team is better than theirs. Because there is more to supporting than hating the oposition. Fair enough, gloat about the win, it was a good win, with significance, and a great game as well. But when did every time a team looses start being refered to as "choking"? Both sides, in the 2007 final your refering to absolutely fought it out to the death. Explain to me how Collingwood choked, or did you even watch it?

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Jackson from Bendigo (Magpies supporter), 16 Jun 2008 20:51hide comment
You're a smart kid Kristy
Aaron from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 16 Jun 2008 19:50hide comment
Yep, my sport of choice to participate in is competitive High Performance Sailing.. And we have a saying... When you see another boat on it's side, NEVER LAUGH! (And I'd love a $ for every time I was on a boat where a crew did, and we ended up in the drink ourselves 10 minutes later!)
Dave from Adelaide (Crows supporter), 16 Jun 2008 19:36hide comment
once again very good opinion kristy. To everyone- Though i am not qualified to give an accurate opinion on the two sides, i thought it was a great game and carlton was better on the day. Gloating when your team wins is fair enough but when you go over the top it will usually come back to haunt you. Funny as it may seem there are probably 'footy gods' just not literally. lol
Greg from Perth (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 19:10hide comment
Kristy, there are two things you can put your house on when Carlton and Collingwood play..

1. It doesn't matter where the two teams are on the ladder..it will be a great game...

2. That if Collingwood want to win a GF, that will only happen if they aren't playing the Blues...We just dont allow it....six times the two have met in GF's and the score is 5-1 ......

It's the milestone games that Collingwood dont get their act together...ok it's not exactly choking (as in the Dockers definition) but something else...you give it a name!

Steve from Melbourne (Blues supporter), 16 Jun 2008 17:58hide comment
not necessarily the thoughts of all carlton supporters...
Kym from Gawler (Crows supporter), 16 Jun 2008 20:01hide comment
Where are the 2 Magpie boys that always have a crack, iam missing them dont stay away for 2 long ha ha. I wouldnt say Pies or Crows are overatted just yet but hey gloat while you can.
Andrew from Melbourne (Magpies supporter), 16 Jun 2008 18:58hide comment
and greg u say collingwood choked in last years finals hahahahaahha ur funny we were 1 kick away from a grand final berth and correct me if im wrong but didnt geelong win the grand final by 119 points so yeah collingwood would choked hahahahahaha ur a retar d we smashed sydney then beat west coast over there then lost to Geelong by 5 points lol and to answer ur question Carlton aint good they wont make finals next year they should but not this year i will laugh my head off if u guys lose in the next 3 weeks as u corrupt tanking club to get draft picks lose
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