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AFL clears Blues of tanking claims
The AFL rules that Carlton has no case to answer in response to recent claims by former Blues assistant coach Tony Liberatore that he felt the club tanked games in 2007. Talks had been initiated between the AFL and Liberatore with the former stating that it was his belief that the Carlton players always played to win matches as well as the fact that at no stage was he ever directed to deliberately lose matches. In response to the AFL's decision, Liberatore said he was merely giving his opinion. "My opinion hasn't been acted upon. I can't change what was decided," Liberatore said.
20 Mar 2008 0:29
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John from Ballarat (Crows supporter), 7 Apr 2008 20:56
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I think the game against the Bombers shows they didnt tank that one
John from Ballarat (Crows supporter), 3 Apr 2008 22:48
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You should have a look at the Big Book Of AFL Players of the Past 50 Years, you will find differently. You can buy it from any good book store. It was bought out by the AFL itself from their archives. It cost like $39.95 so it might be a bit rich for you I dont know but you get a lot more info from that than some stupid Wikipedia
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 3 Apr 2008 22:53
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I knew in my own mind as soon as I read your post that he has never played for my club but had to provide something to show you
John from Ballarat (Crows supporter), 3 Apr 2008 21:00
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Lance Piccione still done alright at the Cats while he was there. You cant tell me use would knock him back if the deal was offered again, he averaged 2 goals and 19 possesions a game then use traded him to Hawthorn. Pffft
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 3 Apr 2008 22:36
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Lance Picioane never played for the cats and what relevance does it have to my argument that the AFL doesn't have a bias towards Vic clubs Lance Picioane
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Playing career¹
Debut 1998, Adelaide vs. , at
Team(s) Adelaide (1998) * 4 games, 2 goals Hawthorn (2000-04) * 58 games, 24 goals Kangaroos (2005) * 15 games, 2 goals Total - 77 Games, 28 Goals
¹ Statistics to end of 2005 season
Career highlights Lance Picioane (born June 7, 1980) is an Australian rules footballer who played for Adelaide, Hawthorn and the Kangaroos during his time in the AFL.
John from Ballarat (Crows supporter), 3 Apr 2008 20:57
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The only reason other clubs have different salary caps is because they been fined for over doing it, Geelong just dropped some and got rid of a couple; like Gardiner and King, and looking back on the books Bribane was find 80,000 still for being over and as much as we believe, Leigh loved his little mouth on the side in Akermanis, and done a good deal to lower their salary cap. But it was more the fans best interest. Look how many good players we got rid of after our 2 flags, Kane Johnson, Tony Modra that one made the entire state cry no-one has stood up to his greatness since he was at Adelaide, Lance Piccione, Jarman retired and Tyson Stenglein! Look what they are doing now! Kanes the captain of Richmond, Modra is playing for Keith and still kicking bags, including 8 in their grand final victory. Jarman and Piccione retired and Stenglein is the vice captain of the Eagles! Theyre big losses. Melbournes gotta have the best salary cap around considering their players are old and had it!
John from Ballarat (Crows supporter), 3 Apr 2008 19:00
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Yes well the Lions had to delist quite a few players, Des Headland the major one, but the Lions were smart, their players decided they prefer the idea of winning more flags, so what do they do, they take salary cuts! Bombers players wouldnt do it, so off they went, Lions players did, win win win! Thats what happens when you got a team that wants to get paid (Essendon) and a team that plays to win (Brisbane). It doesnt matter guys what your salary cap is, its the actuall talent your players have and when they all peak as a team! Sydney finally peaked in 05, Adelaide peaked in 97 and 98, brissy in the early naughties, geelong last year! As long as its a profesional sport with top athletes, its up to the team who peaks to the top of their enlisted players abilities! T hats why if the Saints dont win the flag this year theyll be waiting a long time!
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 3 Apr 2008 19:32
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Headland wanted to go home and chose this over the chance of playing in more flags (silly boy). Who were the others they supposedly had to delist?? Lynch, Hart and McCrae all retired So guys as far as 08' is concerened does every club have the same salary cap?? I think the Saints have more than just this year in regards to being a contender. 2010 is probably their deadline
Andrew from Suzhou (Lions supporter), 3 Apr 2008 19:18
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John from Ballarat (Crows supporter), 28 Mar 2008 21:27
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I agree with Daniel here, the AFL is a Victorian based organisation, and they know they gotta stick up for their home teams, and everybody knows how biased the AFL is to its Vic teams and supporters!!! Carlton are tanking games that much look out within 5-6yrs they wouldve drafted every Brownlow medalist of the past 8yrs. And theyll probably still tank games and the AFL will probably think theyre old and wary...
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 1 Apr 2008 17:50
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You could hardly say the AFL is biased towards Vic clubs John. A perfect example that springs to mind is the extra salary in the cap Brisbane were allowed to keep even though they had won flag after flag!! Where as the mighty Bombers team from 2000 were absolutely raped by the system and had to off load players such as Caracella, Hardwick, Heffernan, Moorcroft (all home grown) and also Blumfield. Hopefully my team the Cats witnessed what happenend to the bombers and manage their list well enough so it doesn't happen to us
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Andrew from Suzhou (Lions supporter), 2 Apr 2008 15:28
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This is a bull**** argument.... Have you been phoning Eddie for advice? If Brisbane did have a competitive advantage, explain to me why Sydney didn't win any premierships during those years, when it had an even bigger salary cap? Plus by Brisbane's third premiership, our salary cap had already been reduced dramatically... This is just rubbish concocted by pissed off Collingwood (and other Melbourne team) fans who basically couldn't face up to the fact that there own team was crap... The fact is that Brisbane were better, and my friend, Geelong has a long, long way before it can equal Brisbane's record from the start of this decade...
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 2 Apr 2008 16:40
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I am not arguing whether the Lions from 03' are better than Geelong from 07' I was simply pointing out to John that he is kidding himself if he thinks the AFL is biased towards Vic clubs. You chose the wrong "there" it should be "their" I believe this "reduced dramatically" call about your salary cap still allowed you higher total player payments than the rest of the league (except Sydney who do have extra allowance for higher cost of living)
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Andrew from Suzhou (Lions supporter), 2 Apr 2008 18:07
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you haven't answered the question? If Sydney couldn't win with a bigger salary cap, then I don't think you can argue that's why Brisbane did. There are obviously many elements that go into making a winning premiership team, and two key ones for Brisbane were a period of great drafting, and having the best coach in the league. Then there's all sorts of other elements such as football facilities, their season fixture, and even unmeasurable things such as the atmosphere that exists within a home ground. I find any talk of trying to diminish what Brisbane achieved during those years as pathetic (let's not forget they made it to 4 grand finals despite having to play many 'home' finals away in Melbourne)...
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 2 Apr 2008 18:37
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Sydney did win a flag, in 05' and nearly again in 06'. I am not trying to diminsih Brisbane's achievements at all and am sorry if it has come across to you that way. The fact remains Headland is the only player you lost to another club in that period compared to Essendon's 5 or 6. Anyway my main purpose for posting on here was to tell John that I though his comments about the AFL having bias towards Vic clubs is completely wrong and I know you think the Brissy/Bombers comparison is a bad example to portray but would like to know Andrew do you agree with John's original comment
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Andrew from Suzhou (Lions supporter), 3 Apr 2008 12:05
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I don't think the AFL has any genuine bias one way or the other... Other than they are trying their best to retain Victorian clubs, which ultimately is going to be a losing battle. By the way, Brisbane last year lost another premiership player, Richard Hadley to Carlton because of the 'go-home' factor. And Sydney only one its premiership after its salary cap was reduced to those of other teams, so that's not relevant. I think Essendon losing 5 or 6 players, and Brisbane not, is more to do with clever management by Brisbane. Players agreed to take pay cuts and could have earned a lot more money playing elsewhere but as a group didn't want to. And they back-ended a lot of salaries (like Voss's) until the end of their careers... That's why we managed to retain good players. Essendon wasn't creative enough to do this.
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Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 3 Apr 2008 18:33
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You could'nt say Hadley was let go to ease salary cap pressures as Travis Jhonstone was recruited and he would chew up more cash than Hadley ever did
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 3 Apr 2008 16:51
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stkilda and geelong are doin the same now to keep there teams realitvly the same.; saints have had the same core palying list for almost 7 years now.
Matt from Melbourne (Saints supporter), 2 Apr 2008 20:29
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i can answer ur question. brisbane had 2 teams to pick players from, brisbane bears n fitzroy lions and got early draft picks. the lions didnt have to lure players to brisbane with money as the swans had to as brisbane had 80 odd players to pick there best 40 from... plus the handy draft picks that they picked up. now dont get me wrong. im not saying that wat brisbane did wasnt incredable. im just pointing out to u why they got a better team earlier then the swans did.
Leigh from Melbourne (Cats supporter), 2 Apr 2008 18:30
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Sydney did win a flag in 05' and nearly again in 06'. I am not trying to diminish Brisbane's achievements at all and am sorry if it has come across to anyone like that. My main interest here was telling John that the AFL doesn't have bias towards Vic clubs. I know you think I have used a poor example with the Brissy/Bombers comparison but do you agree with John's comments
Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 1 Apr 2008 11:53
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The problem is the priority pick system as it is currently set up but to say its cause the AFL is Victorian based and they stick up for the Victorian clubs and fans is wrong. Im a South Aussie and i dont think their is any bias, thats why they got rid of the MCG agreement so interstate clubs could host prelim finals. If they were all for Victoria they wouldnt have bothered. You also have to remember the AFL was born out of the VFL so obviously there are going to be more Victorian teams then anywhere else, this doesnt mean they get favoured though. Carlton are tanking but i dont blame them, seriously its for the benefit of the club if they cant make the finals and they are under the priority pick ruling then why wouldnt they tank? This is where the AFL have to put their hand up and say "We got it wrong" but you will never hear those words come from Anderson and Demetriou. Hell we tanked to get Dale Thomas and Pendlebury, remember the collingwood and kangas match. We were 5 goals up with 5 mins left, brought off a couple big name players and the rood kicked 6 goals lol. That was the biggest tank ever
Dylan (Blues supporter), 1 Apr 2008 13:14
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wrong we dont tank we just have a poor list if it was such a big deal to libba he should have stood up when it was happening rather than acting like a coward and not coming forward. In the last mth libba has twice acted like a **** and hurt his reputation and word. He first had a go at campbell from the WB and did not approach him but did it through the media as he did with carlton he just has his back up and now he would be lucky to coach in EFL div 4. Libba is a dog and this has been shown through his recent actions
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Daniel from Adelaide (Magpies supporter), 1 Apr 2008 16:40
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You dont tank? Yep i seem to remember the game was for the taking against us last season and then you bring off Fevola who was playing well. At the time the commentators all started saying this was part of ur tanking ploy and its true. Why would u take him off when you could have won the game? he wasnt injured and he didnt need the rest lol. We all know u tanked and so do the Carlton supporters, actually to say that you didnt tank makes the club look even worse lol
Amanda from Brisbane (Blues supporter), 1 Apr 2008 11:44
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Like hell Carlton would choke on purpose. Do you really think we want to be this crap?. What about when Hawthorn was playing abysmally?. This is what happens when people get bored. MOVE ON...............
Kaeliff (Crows supporter), 31 Mar 2008 22:57
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agreed, carlton tank so bad it could start a war!
Daniel from Melbourne (Tigers supporter), 28 Mar 2008 7:30
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The Carlton football club and the AFL are both a joke on this issue. Nobody is fooled by what Carlton did at the end of season 07. The AFL is a joke and so is the current draft priority pick system.
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